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Gatyr
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Posted: 29 August 2010 at 9:17am |
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Even if he didn't explicitly mention how he would improve the US, it's Glenn Beck, and therefore it's obvious how he would have it done (or at least how he wouldn't have it done and what he would complain about), and it is therefore hard for anyone who has watched his show or listened to his radio show to believe that his rally was just about improving America, without any ancillary political motives. |
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FreeEnterprise
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Posted: 29 August 2010 at 9:37am |
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bias in... bias out. I liked this part...
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FreeEnterprise
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Posted: 31 August 2010 at 8:16am |
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Two rallies one day...
Let's look at what Martin Luther King actually said during his famous speech.
There were two events. One was promoted by the Government, telling its union members that they needed to attend... Here are some of the comments at the smaller government sanctioned event.
"“We will not stand silent as some seek to bamboozle Dr. King’s dream,” said Marc Morial, president of the National Urban League. “We reclaim the dream of Dr. King for the 21st century. We reclaim this dream because we are here to say we must be one nation. We stand on the shoulders of our fathers and mothers, grandfathers and grandmothers.”
Jaime Contreras, president of SEIU-32BJ, said those gathered at the Mall with Beck “represent angry white people and hate-mongering.” He added: “We will not let them stand in the way of the change we voted for!” ![]() Avis Jones DeWeever, executive director of the National Council of Negro Women, drew thunderous roars when she challenged those gathered to stand up for their place. “Don’t let anyone tell you that they have the right to take their country back,” she said. “It’s our country, too. We will reclaim the dream. It was ours from the beginning.”"
"“They may have the mall, but we have the message. They may have the platform, but we have the dream.” Sharpton and other activists gathered to commemorate the 47th anniversary of MLK’s “I Have a Dream” speech, then joined hands and walked 3 miles to the site of King’s future memorial. “This is our day and we ain’t giving it away,” said Sharpton."
But... The words of Martin Luther King were so appropriate...
Then a second, larger rally... By "angry white people who were hate-mongering", who were labeled by the media as "conservatives" (interesting, as I have never seen a "liberal" event labeled as such by the media?... Why is that... I guess if it is liberal it is "correct", and conservative is the Baaaad group.)
![]() Here are a few exerpts from that event.
Dr. Alveda King (Martin Luther Kings niece)
Sarah Palin
Glenn Beck
By watching the media coverage, you would not have heard any of the words at the Beck rally... But, now that you can see them for yourself, does it change your opinion on the focus of the rally? Does it bother you that the government told its people to attend one of the rallies?
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Posted: 31 August 2010 at 9:30am |
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It really doesn't really change the fact that Glenn Beck is a retard of the ninth order, and needs to do us all a favor and jump off a cliff.
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FreeEnterprise
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Posted: 31 August 2010 at 1:42pm |
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And there it is... The perfect parroting of the media, in almost a lemming like fashion.
Why is Glenn Beck so threatening to the liberals in media and politics?
Because he can pull 500,000 people to washington by himself! Name one liberal that has that kind of power...
It is no wonder they attack him so often and with such vitriol.
Here he is on O'Reilly
and Sharpton on O'Reilly for those without Fox news channel.
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Posted: 31 August 2010 at 3:23pm |
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So without sounding stupid, What was the rally meant to achieve?
The way I see American politics(/whatever this was) as an outsider is that people talk a lot without really saying anything. Was this just an inspirational speech to make everyone passionate about the current situations? Was it a show of defiance to the government? Are there any tangible targets that this was meant to achieve? I'm sure I could look for myself and find the answers but I want it in plain English and from a supporter like you FE. |
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Posted: 31 August 2010 at 8:18pm |
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Hmm.... Didnt President Obama get something like 1.8 million people to attend his rally in Washington? Outdoor music festivals get crowds larger than that and they have to pay for the event. Edited by God - 31 August 2010 at 8:20pm |
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Posted: 31 August 2010 at 8:33pm |
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WRONG Being aware that Glenn Beck is an idiot is not parroting the media, it's watching the media and forming an opinion. |
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Posted: 31 August 2010 at 8:44pm |
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Religion has no place in Politics. A man's relationship with what ever god he worships is a intimate thing between said person and his belief. To thrust a religion over another not only is unamerican it's against the Founding Father's ideal for a great Nation. If they had planned on America being a Christian/Catholic/Muslim state they would had put it in the frame work of the Constitution. But they clearly put lines between State and Religion.
Absolute Religion in a State leads to Taliban like states where the will of said God is perverted and bend to fit the agenda of those in power. America isn't turning away from God. America is turning away from Religious Institutions that while claiming to be righteous and Holy. Molest Children, Scam Member, Gossip, Stereotype and spread Fear in the name of God. Most Americans believe in some sort of Higher Power. They are just not drinking the Kool Aid. |
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Posted: 31 August 2010 at 9:24pm |
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Tbh, I don't think anyone in the mainstream media has the balls to call Glenn Beck a retard, even though they all think it. |
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Posted: 31 August 2010 at 9:51pm |
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I love you, this is perfect, and to hear it coming from a man such as yourself is good to see. This sums up my feelings on it nicely |
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Posted: 31 August 2010 at 11:16pm |
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FreeEnterprise
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Posted: 01 September 2010 at 8:36am |
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I wasn't there... I was helping my brother put in a concrete porch...
But, I have read a lot about it, and watched a ton of it online.
To me the rally was to focus people back on the founding principles of our country. Restoring honor and integrity in each one of us.
Our country (although many try to disagree today) was founded on Judeo Christian values. We have watched as athiestic values have permiated the American system (the best in history) and the destruction that follows.
Until we as a country get back to God, we can't expect things to get better.
That was the goal of the meeting, to show that there is still a large part of America that believes in God. And that belief guides their principles and integrity. Because all of the freedoms we were given were not given by man... but, by God. When we take those freedoms and put them in the hands of politicians instead of focusing on God... We all suffer the loss of those freedoms. Not to say athiests can't have those things too... But, looking at the large amount of corruption in politics/society and human behavior today and it is clear that the change to eliminate God from schools, and the humanistic focus has hurt the character and family units in our society.
I read an interesting study this morning that talks about exactly this idea, and how it breaks down the community, when certain people don't follow what is best and instead cheat the system. Typically because of a lack of a belief in God. And a focus on humanism (what is best for individual) instead of focusing on what is best for family units, or community.
"In the history of the world, every culture in every location at every point in time has developed some supernatural belief system. And when a human behavior is so universal, scientists often argue that it must be an evolutionary adaptation along the lines of standing upright. That is, something so helpful that the people who had it thrived, and the people who didn't slowly died out until we were all left with the trait. But what could be the evolutionary advantage of believing in God?"
Very interesting read... (and NPR too)
But, to read media reports... That is only getting one world views version of what happened, and based on the past few years of posts I have showed you how the media is hugely biased in our country.
Glenn Becks show last night covered the media's vs what actually happened.
It is very enlightening if you decide to watch it, it is the event and the coverage wrapped up in 15 minutes. If you want to skip the first 8:30 of the first video that gets to the meat of the event.
I have a ton of friends who went. They said they waited for over 2 hours in line for the subway just to get there...
I went to the Promise Keepers event back in the late 90's and stood front and center to the stage... That was a massive crowd like this, and that event changed my life. I am sure that the people who attended will never forget, and this will impact their lives as well.
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Posted: 01 September 2010 at 8:56am |
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Posted: 01 September 2010 at 5:11pm |
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I have to say if this was based on religion and with Glenn Beck the way he is (political pundit) then it could have been a bit more tactful in it's approach. Sarah Palin probably should have steered clear of it.
As to the Judeo Christian values. That's bollocks. Morality is not exclusive to the Christian church. |
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Posted: 01 September 2010 at 5:39pm |
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All 3 major religions were actually included in the happenings. The true tenet behind it all was that anyone who is a follower of the main religions on Earth has one thing in common with everyone, their belief in the great and merciful God(no matter by WHAT name you call him), and that it is everything that we have in common we should be focusing on to bring us together, not the differences. |
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Posted: 01 September 2010 at 6:19pm |
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What is an atheistic value?
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Posted: 01 September 2010 at 6:29pm |
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Well, if I only had you to judge from, I guess it would be that of being an elitist asshat and ignoring the point someone is trying to make, if only to justify your own feelings. Last time I checked, there wasn't a large public perception of Christians vs Atheists or Jews vs Atheists or Muslims vs Atheists, so I imagine that there wouldn't be much point in adding that group into a message trying to diffuse tension between the three aformentioned religions. |
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Posted: 01 September 2010 at 6:31pm |
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I am not an elitist asshat. You don't even know me brother man.
I don't see a point when the point involves Christian values vs. Atheistic values like not believing in god is bad. On that note, I still would like to know the answer to the question. What is an atheistic value? Edited by jmac3 - 01 September 2010 at 6:32pm |
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Posted: 01 September 2010 at 6:35pm |
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Either you don't understand what I'm saying, your point of contention is with someone other than me, or you're being difficult on purpose. It wasn't about one group's values versus the others. It was about the shared ground between the large groups outweighing the differences, and about how people should draw on their faith in a higher power, rather than the differences in a book. I assume that you are referring to part of FE's post, but he's not really explaining the concept of the rally very well at all. It wasn't about "America should be ruled by Christians" or "proving Christians still exist in America." I also think you're intentionally misinterpreting what FE said, because it's NOT that atheists can't hold the same values as Christians are SUPPOSED to, only that in an ideal situation, every Christian would have those values because of their religion, and an atheist could theoretically choose to value whatever they pleased. Now, if you are looking for a reason to be contentious, go right ahead, par for the course between you two, but you're reaching. Edited by usafpilot07 - 01 September 2010 at 6:38pm |
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