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http://www.worldmag.com/webextra/16862
more examples of muslim "tolerance"...
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choopie911
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Posted: 18 June 2010 at 3:17pm |
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So how is this any different than the redneck idiots yelling kill all muslims?
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Posted: 18 June 2010 at 3:19pm |
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Religion causing intolerance to other religions? No way!
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Posted: 18 June 2010 at 3:23pm |
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That would never happen here, christians are the most tolerant of other religions ever! |
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Posted: 18 June 2010 at 4:45pm |
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This. - to the above 3 comments.
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Posted: 18 June 2010 at 4:51pm |
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Yeah! Just look at the WBC... |
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Posted: 18 June 2010 at 6:54pm |
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While you make a valid point, it should be noted that Christianity is not (yet) the world religion currently in danger of slipping/being sucked completely into its radical minority.* *For lack of a better way to put it. |
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Posted: 18 June 2010 at 7:22pm |
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That matters in what way?
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Posted: 19 June 2010 at 2:28am |
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As if a sizeable percentage of Christians don't feel the same way about Muslims. |
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Posted: 19 June 2010 at 5:16am |
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"Christian" and "Muslim".
My only thoughts on the subject, really. |
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You're not quite right there, strato. I've spent some time talking to missionaries who serve in Muslim countries, mainly Indonesia and Egypt, who study the Qur'an pretty extensively. The reality is that the Qur'an essentially says to kill any non-Muslim who won't convert.
Now, I realize the vast majority of Muslims are not going around waging jihad, but there's a pretty clear difference between the positions of Christ and Mohammed on killing people. I don't know where this "sizable portion" of Christians who want to kill all the Muslims is hiding, but I don't know of them, and I've spent almost 21 years in various churches around the country. If you really think that Christian extremists are doing a better job destabilizing the world right now than Muslim ones, I'm pretty sure you've got another thing coming. |
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Posted: 19 June 2010 at 9:11am |
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Que pasa?
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lol you heard from "Missionaries" that Muslims want to kill all non believers. That reminds me I head the Starbucks guy say that Tim Hortans coffee is poison... Back in the winter when I was working at a Carwash and I had a muslim boss.... Hard to the core muslim. Like super Muslim. I Can't even begin to explain how muslim the dude was, if you looked at him you would have sharted on yourself and thought OH MY HE IS GOING TO BLOW SOMETHING UP (Im not bashing on him here. He is still a good friend and we talk often and he even busts out Bombing jokes himself). Either way he got a kick out of me being a Athiest which led to many discussions about his Religeon. I remember this one Conversation we had where he said "Dan you know if we where back in my land and you would not convert, the Quran says that I could hold you prisoner or even make you my slave" But he didn't say kill... Now I know what your saying "He probibly left that part out as you happend to be his employee at the time". This is not the case as he would tell me on a regular basis that he would kill me if I messed something up while playing with his big ass knife. Either way later that night I went home and googled up some Quran nonsense and I found this website that said pretty much what my Boss said slave me hold me prisoner and It even said KILL ME along with the sura that it was from. I then looked it up and suprise!!! It was an Islam hating website. So then I did some more google fu but this time I knew what I was looking for ( 9:29-35 ) and nowhere in those 6 verses did I see them call for an outright killing of non-believers... Now Im not dumb (lol shut up) I relize that the Quran is a big book with lots of words and verses and It could very well say Kill on non believers however I have not found that part yet. So here is my challange to you. Find me where it says in the Quran to kill people like me, you and half the rest of the world... don't worry Ill wait for however long it takes  In the meantime I can point out in the Bible where it speaks of Killing non Believers Chronicals 15:12-13- It goes a little something like this blah blah blah ooo here we are " But that whoever would not seek the lord, the god of Israel SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH! whether young old man or woman" Thats Pretty gangster right there, what with promoting killing of non believers. Either way you slice it though both books promote Hate towards people not there kind and in my eyes Religeon is the biggest brainwashing joke known to man and an end should be put to it. (not to you people but to Religeon. I do not condem those who believe in God or Allah or who els, because I know there was a time when I though Santa was real even though we all know he is fake... right.?) At any rate I am hella tired and need some sleep. 3rd shift sucks and causes me to ramble on about stuff that makes no sesne. Wait... what where we talking about again. Goodnight. |
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Posted: 19 June 2010 at 11:21am |
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Perspective. (Something a lot of people on here need to work on.) Related note: Read an interesting article a while back (that I will have to see if I can find again) on the war between radicals an moderates within Islam. The main premise of the author was that the Muslim faith was "in a battle for it's very soul" and the consequences for those both of the faith and others would be very serious if the "wrong" side triumphed. |
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Posted: 19 June 2010 at 11:30am |
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I'm glad someone brought up 2 Chronicles 15:13.
The Christian Bible is very clear. Those who do not seek God must be executed.
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Posted: 19 June 2010 at 11:31am |
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Odd that in current times there is much less executing of opposing faiths going on in the group whose bible is more clear on the subject than in the group whose bible is less clear on the subject.
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Posted: 19 June 2010 at 11:34am |
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That's what you get when people who believe in a mystical sky wizard get involved.
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First off, citation fail, there are 2 chronicles. Second off, paraphrasing is fine, but at least try to capture the whole essence of what is being said if you are going to do so. Second Chronicles 15:12-13 12 They entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul. 13 All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman. This is quite literally a historical account of people being put to death, rather then an ongoing commandment to do so. Basically, this is dealing with the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, who fell into moral decay under the rule of Jeroboam. Jeroboam was overthrown, most of the people turned back to god, and they killed the unbelievers in thier tribes. Yeah, not exactly one of religions finest moments, but at the same time, trying to use this as evidence that the bible is telling Christians to go around murduring people in present day is beyond stretching. as far as your quran verse for killing people, Surah 9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. i would note that citations from the quran work a little differently then citations from the bible. where as in the bible, you have "book chapter:verse" the quran is more like "Surah book:verse" that is to say, Surah 9 is its own complete "entity" within the quran, so to speak. ( you can read the full text here if you wish ) basically, Surah 9 seems to be entirely about foreign relations, and the bottom line is, respect any alliances for as long as they were defined, so long as you aren't betrayed, and once your alliance has reached its conclusion, THEN kill them. Well, unless they repent that is. this quite literally is, as far as i can tell, an ongoing commandment. Edited by adrenalinejunky - 19 June 2010 at 12:00pm |
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Interesting, i would expect better from a journalist, then to dismiss something without reading any context or even noting the fact that certain key words were past tense. You are doing the exact same thing in that sentence that you regularly accuse various "sky wizard" followers of doing. Acting on your bias, rather than your intelligence. |
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