"closed bolt"

yea im a little confused about this. as some of u may know ive owned a cocker and cockers open to let a ball fall into the breech rather than letting the ball fall in whenever it can. this is what ive always thought closed bolt was (pull trigger, bolt opens, ball falls in, bolt closes). but when i was pballing a little while ago, i was talking to some ppl (walk-on with a timmy and an angel, and an employee with a trix) and i told the employee that i wanted to get an alias. he said "nah i dont like open bolt design because its a little less accurate." i had heard that trixes were closed bolt before. "and thats why u have a trix?," i said. "yea," he said. later on i was playing with the kids LCD, and the employee said "that angel is closed bolt too," (something i never heard before). "it is?" i said. "yea, do u see a bolt at all?" he said. this confused me because at that point i was debating about the meaning of closed bolt between what i had thought before (pull trigger, bolt opens, ball falls in, bolt closes), and the definition of closed bolt being no bolt exposed.

so all i am asking you guys is, does closed bolt mean what i thought it did, or does it mean that the bolt is completely enclosed (like an angel or a trix)????

thanks in advance,

jake

Your right. It has nothing to do with the bolt being enclosed.
Angels are open bolt.

C:  None of those.  Almost all paintball guns open the breach by retracting the bolt, allowing a ball to enter the breach, and the close the breach by pushing the bolt (and the ball) forward, allowing the gun to fire.

The difference between "open bolt" and "closed bolt" is the resting state of the bolt and the firing sequence. 

Open bolt (Tippmann, Spyder, Angel):  Pull trigger, bolt closes, gun fires, bolt opens, ball enters chamber.

Closed bolt (cocker, pump gun):  Pull trigger, gun fires, bolt opens, ball enters chamber, bolt closes.

When you are done pulling the trigger on your cocker the bolt is closed and ready to fire.  On a Tippmann, the bolt is open until you pull the trigger.

Despite claims of cockers owners, there is no meaningful evidence that closed bolt is "better" than open bolt.  Even if there were a difference, that difference would go away at 20bps anyway.

An Angel, however, does have an "enclosed bolt," meaning that (unlike a Timmy/Spyder/cocker) no part of the bolt is on the outside of the gun.  This is handy for playing in the dirt.

 

TRAVELER wrote: A closed bolt system is more accurate, as the paintball is fired without the motion of the bolt affecting aim. However, as Clark Kent said, at high rates of fire, this benefit vanishes.

Prove it. More knowledgable people then you or i have tested it. It has zero effect.

There have been many test done and the proven fact is that closed bolt guns are no more accurate then open bolt guns at any ROF. People who think thier cocker is more accurate then Angels because its closed bolt is only being foolish and falling into Bud Hores BS hype.

ImpyKing2 wrote: There have been many test done and the proven fact is that closed bolt guns are no more accurate then open bolt guns at any ROF.

Not true.  There have been some tests, with questionable procedures and even more questionable general application.

 

Clark Kent wrote: ImpyKing2 wrote: There have been many test done and the proven fact is that closed bolt guns are no more accurate then open bolt guns at any ROF. Not true.  There have been some tests, with questionable procedures and even more questionable general application.

If you are talking about bench clamped markers in controled environments then you might find that there is a tiny variation between open and closed bolt markers. I say might because other factors effect accuracy much greater than the firing configuration (e.g., ball quality, consistency, barrel quality).

In a game though there is no noticeable difference.

Yeah for some reason lots of people think that An open bolt means the bolt is not enclosed.  I was talking to my friend about cockers and how they were closed bolt and he was like, "yeah same thing with Angels."  I wa thinking no.  I was right.

 

WooHoo.

 

Well this just confirms what  I figued

Good for me

TRAVELER wrote: A closed bolt system is more accurate, as the paintball is fired without the motion of the bolt affecting aim. However, as Clark Kent said, at high rates of fire, this benefit vanishes.

You are right, no matter what enos says. The fact is that if you have a heavy mass moving prior to the shot, it's going to throw off your initial aim. But this is of course moot when you're firing a string of shots. It effect first shot accuracy only, but depending on the gun, not by much.