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    Posted: 04 October 2005 at 8:54pm

Disclaimer- I am not a rascist.  This was just a thought.

So we were talking about this in govt class.  The slaves and segregation was similar to the Roman class structure as in the working class and the naturally rich class.  The Patrician class was the born with a silver spoon in your mouth rich class of people (whites), while the Plebians were the working class (blacks).  The Patricians were not supposed to marry out of their class.  And if a Patrician fell in love with and Plebian, they were thrown out of the class.  Especially if it was a woman.  This relates to white people being osticized (sp) if they were with a black person.  The plebes were treated like crap by the upper class as it was with slavery. 

Slavery was a form of labor and not a form of rascism. Rascism developed later on and became a trend among white people.  Cruelty and the like (whipping etc) had been popular since the middle ages and the style of doing so had not yet begun to wane from society as a whole.  Of course this is all about the individual slave owner. 

On to the n word.  The term african american wasnt around yet.  The term black people wasnt being used yet.  So what word was created to refer to the slaves?  You guessed it, the n word.  The n word was just used as a prefix on a slave's name.  Like the one you see in family guy: N word John.  That was the original use of the word.  The word became a derogitory term when the black people learned to speak english.  That was when instead of having a name you were just called the n word and it slipped of the white man's tongue like nothing.  Unless it was used as an insult.  

Thats all i have thought of for now.  I know i didnt cover every topic or go very in depth, but those are my thoughts and what i have found in research. 

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Basicaly. One will find any way to jusitify things they feel are wrong. Like the natzis during germany.

"Well the jews are a filthy race anyway."

"The negros are barely human anyway."

Thinking that we now call racist came about as a way to justify slave holding.
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Or, you know, it is.

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Originally posted by Predatorr Predatorr wrote:

Disclaimer- I am not a rascist.  This was just a thought.

So we were talking about this in govt class.  The slaves and segregation was similar to the Roman class structure as in the working class and the naturally rich class.  The Patrician class was the born with a silver spoon in your mouth rich class of people (whites), while the Plebians were the working class (blacks).  The Patricians were not supposed to marry out of their class.  And if a Patrician fell in love with and Plebian, they were thrown out of the class.  Especially if it was a woman.  This relates to white people being osticized (sp) if they were with a black person.  The plebes were treated like crap by the upper class as it was with slavery.

I agree with you somewhat, but I think there were some differences.
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Commons (plebs or vulgus): all other freeborn Roman citizens. The special mark of dress for citizen males was the toga. All Roman citizens had conubium, the right to contract a legal marriage with another Roman citizen and beget legitimate children who were themselves Roman citizens.

Slaves (servi): system of chattel slavery where human beings were born into slavery or sold into slavery through war or piracy. Slaves were the property of their owners by law, but by custom some slaves (especially urban, domestic slaves) might be allowed their own savings (peculium) with which they might later buy their freedom, or their masters could manumit them, so some mobility into the previous class was possible. . Roman slavery was not racially based, and slaves had no special distinction of dress, though slaves who had run away were sometimes made to wear metal collars with inscriptions such as the following: “I have run away. Capture me. When you have returned me to my master, Zoninus, you will receive a reward.”

There were no white slaves in America. In the Roman Empire, there were.

Slavery was a form of labor and not a form of rascism. Rascism developed later on and became a trend among white people.  Cruelty and the like (whipping etc) had been popular since the middle ages and the style of doing so had not yet begun to wane from society as a whole.  Of course this is all about the individual slave owner.

Blacks were slaves because they were black. Blacks were chosen to be slaves in the beginning because they were 'inferior to whites'.

Slavery was both. Blacks were chosen because they were believed to be inferior, and that is why whites were not used.

On to the n word.  The term african american wasnt around yet.  The term black people wasnt being used yet.  So what word was created to refer to the slaves?  You guessed it, the n word.  The n word was just used as a prefix on a slave's name.  Like the one you see in family guy: N word John.  That was the original use of the word.  The word became a derogitory term when the black people learned to speak english.  That was when instead of having a name you were just called the n word and it slipped of the white man's tongue like nothing.  Unless it was used as an insult.

When did the term African American originate?

Thats all i have thought of for now.  I know i didnt cover every topic or go very in depth, but those are my thoughts and what i have found in research. 


Where's whale with swms.

I didn't finish what I was going to say. I will edit it soon and finish it.

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The slaves were a big part of this countrys economy.

And whipping a man to does become a bit racist.


It's been changed jackass.
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so we say wheres my proof that it wasnt rascist?  Wheres your proof for that it was?  All im saying is that slavery was a form of labor.  If it was other white people then it wouldnt be a big deal.  Or if it was mexicans or something then there would be a big mexican vs white people thing.  I think it was wrong, im just stating what i think so dont bash me, take what i wrote and write what you think about it.
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Think about this one. While in slavery, African Americans were in a controlled, labouring environment, while not the best living conditions, they were taken care of.

Fast forward to the new millenium. A large chunk of the AFrican American population is seen as otherwise, out of control. There is an imensely high rate of crime and welfare amongst blacks, and seemingly wander aimlessly through life. Not saying they are all like that, but a huge part of the poverty stricken class is blacks, and no its not because they are being discriminated against, now more than ever they are being accepted forcably, as those who don't are branded as Racist, Hitler, Nazi, etc. This is the essence of Affirmative Action.

One more thing to point out. Africa was not for the msot part civilized until the intervention of Europe and America.

Just my 2 cents.

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We specifically took black people and put them into slavery...

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Aparently you feel guilty enough to attempt to make it sound not as bad as it really was.

It was a horrid thing. We, the white people, screwed up. Please admidt that and stop trying to sugar coat it.


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Check my updated post. 

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Im not sure which part is yours...I think we agree or somthing....

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Slavery is bad, what kind of can say that is not racist.

It's been changed jackass.
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The bold is mine...


Originally posted by djrock djrock wrote:

Slavery is bad, what kind of can say that is not racist.


Read it idiot. He never said it was right, nor did he condone it.


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Then we agree...I think.....

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Wow, your right for hundreds of years we have it all wrong.... Thanks for clearing that up. I'll send in your Nobel Peace prize nomination right away.



I think you also forgot to include the part how the KKK isnt really a racist group and that it is a coincedence the people they hate just happen to all be black.

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Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

We specifically took black people and put them into slavery...

Along with people of other nationalities, its mainly the African Americans you here about mostly.

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Originally posted by Fat Stalin Fat Stalin wrote:

The bold is mine...


Originally posted by djrock djrock wrote:

Slavery is bad, what kind of can say that is not racist.


Read it idiot. He never said it was right, nor did he condone it.


He didn't accuse him of condoning it or saying it was right. Pred said it isn't racist and he said it is.
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Originally posted by SuperXero SuperXero wrote:

Think about this one. While in slavery, African Americans were in a controlled, labouring environment, while not the best living conditions, they were taken care of.


Right, because whipping, lack of education, poor nutrition, poor living environments,  and hard, long maual labor for no pay  is considered treating them good, right?

If you really beleive that, I'll offer you a position as my personal slave. They pay will suck, I will beat and whip you, degrade you,  make you work your ass off for 14 hours a day, give you bread and water with a little bit of the fruit you grow, and thats it. Its an offer you cant refuse.

Quote One more thing to point out. Africa was not for the msot part civilized until the intervention of Europe and America.

Just my 2 cents.


because civilazation(which africa isnt too much more civilized now) is worth the death and slavery of millions of people.
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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Wow, your right for hundreds of years we have it all wrong.... Thanks for clearing that up. I'll send in your Nobel Peace prize nomination right away.



I think you also forgot to include the part how the KKK isnt really a racist group and that it is a coincedence the people they hate just happen to all be black.
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Originally posted by Predatorr Predatorr wrote:


 The n word was just used as a prefix on a slave's name.  Like the one you see in family guy: N word John.  That was the original use of the word.



i think it is also a possibility it came from negro, the spanish word for black i believe, once those southners put their draw on it, it became the word rappers so love today
 
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