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Dusty
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Topic: ApexPosted: 14 March 2006 at 7:07pm |
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does the apex barrel really work? if so how good?
can you make it longer with a J&J barrel and adapter? |
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Posted: 14 March 2006 at 7:12pm |
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Yes it works, it works about as good as a flatline, with more options.
Longer barrels do not make you more accurate or shoot further, so I dont see why that question is relevent to anything. |
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Dusty
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Posted: 14 March 2006 at 7:14pm |
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i heard that the apex added at least 50ft to your shot, i thought maybe i could add 50 more if i had a longer barel |
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Torquestar
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Posted: 14 March 2006 at 7:45pm |
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The backspin is what's adding the distance. Since the rubber ramp providing the backspin is inside the end of the APEX barrel, a longer barrel will do nothing to improve the range.
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Dusty
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Posted: 14 March 2006 at 8:01pm |
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o thanks for the help |
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Posted: 14 March 2006 at 8:01pm |
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Bruce A. Frank
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Posted: 15 March 2006 at 12:10pm |
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A longer barrel does nothing to increase range. If the barrels are the same differing only in length and the ball leaves the muzzle of each at the same velocity the flight distance is exactly the same. The Flatline and Apex barrels extend the distance by imparting backspin on the ball. Backspin generates lift so the ball does not arc downward after it leaves the end of the barrel. Gravity is compensated for by the lift generated. The flight path of the backspining ball is extended to the point at which the ball runs out of forward momentum...thus giving an impression of the ball just suddenly dropping out of the air. At any point along the trajectory a backspinning ball has the same forward velocity as the ball fired from a smoothbore...until the smooth bore fired ball hits the ground. There is some debate that the backspinning ball retains velocity a little better,(backspin reduces drag?) but the difference in terminal velocity is insignificant.(Percentage of overall drag reduction at these velocities, though calculable, is insignificant.) A little interesting information for those not familiar with ballistic trajectory physics. When a rifle is mounted so that the barrel is parallel to the ground and fired across a flat plain (Utah salt flats?), no matter what the forward velocity, the bullet hits the ground at exactly the same instant that the same bullet dropped from barrel height at the instant of firing hits. The same is true of paintballs, EXCEPT when the ball is backspinning. The lift generated keeps the ball flying forward well past the time interval at which the dropped ball hit the ground. |
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Posted: 15 March 2006 at 10:37pm |
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yeah, that's all true. if you don't believe him, take two marbles. flick one off the end of a table, and at the same time, drop the second one from the same height. if you do it correctly, the marbles will hit the floor at the exact same time. the marble's flight path(as well as the bullet's path) is parabolic, not diagonal. pretty interesting stuff... |
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Posted: 16 March 2006 at 1:25pm |
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only true in a vacume. air resistance keeps the rifle bullet airborn longer than the one that's dropped because of it's aerodynamics. |
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Posted: 16 March 2006 at 2:52pm |
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Not only true in a vacuum. It is universally true, subject to minor variation for environmental variables. Flatline paintballs drop slower due to the backspin, which creates an effect similar to an airplane wing (the Bernoulli effect). Bullets rotate along the axis of travel, which does not create this effect. The rotation creates a gyroscope effect, which helps with accurace, but it does not create lift. Edited by Rambino - 16 March 2006 at 2:54pm |
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Bruce A. Frank
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Posted: 16 March 2006 at 3:29pm |
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At the distances of a conventional high powered rifle shot the difference is virtually undetectable without some very sophisticated equipment and can be/are ignored in ballistic time of flight calculations (where is this cannon shell gonna' hit) The difference in the horizontal time of flight of a backspinning paintball versus one dropped from barrel height is significant and observable with no sophisticated equipment (eyeballs only...wait, actually, eyeballs are pretty sophisticated equipment) |
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Posted: 02 April 2006 at 5:22pm |
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is the apex as prone to breaking balls as the flatline?
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Posted: 02 April 2006 at 5:26pm |
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No, but still worse than a Striaght barrel. |
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Posted: 02 April 2006 at 9:36pm |
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The Apex has an adjustable rubber ramp which is introduced to the ball via a slider at the end of the barrel. The more you adjust the slider, which pushes the rubber ramp farther into the path of the ball, the more likely you'll break a ball. Really crappy paint might restrict you to only a notch or three, while higher quality paint might let you adjust it farther down (putting more spin on the ball). That's what's so nice about the Apex. You can go from no spin (straight through barrel), or have adjustable backspin depending on the situation.
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Posted: 05 April 2006 at 9:18pm |
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i have one for my stock 98c. it will shoot low grade paint fine put as
soon as 1 ball breaks in the barrel it becomes almost as bad as my
stock barrel. samething with just getting it wet in general ( like how
i played winter woodsball with a few inches of snow. i actually had ice
on the barrel. cuz it was 10F below with the windchill) dont use a
squigee on it or it will mess up the rubber thing. you have to wash it
out with a sink or garden hose. im still trying to figure out the best
field way to clean it.
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Bruce A. Frank
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Posted: 05 April 2006 at 10:12pm |
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I have found the mop type barrel cleaners to work well. |
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