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    Posted: 18 January 2008 at 9:28pm
This article struck me as kinda cool and amusing, particularly given one of the other treads up right now.

http://kotaku.com/346176/americas-army-player-saves-real-lif e?army

TL;DR: Buddy has never done first aid training except in America's Army. Watches car wreck. Properly triages and aids victims including badly mutilated hand while waiting for ambulance.


Edited by brihard - 18 January 2008 at 10:25pm
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"Also of note, Galvanek is additionally proficient in the art of scrubbing toilets with toothbrushes. What a game! "

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Originally posted by brihard brihard wrote:

This article struck me as kinda cool and ausing, particularly given one of the other treads up right now. http://kotaku.com/346176/americas-army-player-saves-real-lif e?armyTL;DR: Buddy has never done first aid training except in America's Army. Watches car wreck. Properly triages and aids victims including badly mutilated hand while waiting for ambulance.


OMG now old ladies who watch the news will Join the Army because of the PROPAGANDA


Edited by Evil Elvis - 18 January 2008 at 9:36pm
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That's a ploy.

There is no way someone would be that calm and think of a video game.

Or he's addicted.
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It's basically common knowledge. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know to apply pressure to a wound and elevate it.


The only reason they teach you the stuff in boot is so you A) Have situational awareness (Dont stand up while being shot at) and B) Get used to thinking under pressure.

First aid really is not that hard.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

It's basically common knowledge. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know to apply pressure to a wound and elevate it.


The only reason they teach you the stuff in boot is so you A) Have situational awareness (Dont stand up while being shot at) and B) Get used to thinking under pressure.

First aid really is not that hard.


Im sure that the fact that people all arround might be Injured or Maimed in combat has little to do with it. And you wonder why you get all the "LOL 2 Weeks" jokes
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Evil... it's one thing to teach how to apply a tourniquet in battle, it's another thing to do something so common knowledge as "apply pressure to the wound".

It's one thing to say "Don't push on a stomach wound", it's another completely to say "swipe burning chemicals AWAY from the face".

Again, basic first aid is not hard and anyone who says different is an idiot.

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Evil... it's one thing to teach how to apply a tourniquet in battle, it's another thing to do something so common knowledge as "apply pressure to the wound".

It's one thing to say "Don't push on a stomach wound", it's another completely to say "swipe burning chemicals AWAY from the face".

Again, basic first aid is not hard and anyone who says different is an idiot.


It's not hard, but a great many people don't know it. It's by no means 'common knowledge'. First aid is by no means instinctive, it's trained. Don't dismiss the usefulness of first aid training.
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I don't dismiss it. It's quite handy to know how to apply a proper tourniquets, along with the TTA. Also good to know how to handle a stomach wound properly. But to say "apply pressure to the wound" is not common knowledge is like saying people don't know that bullets kill.

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It's a really crappy game.

The training was cool though, and was the only part of that game that was well done.
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

I don't dismiss it. It's quite handy to know how to apply a proper tourniquets, along with the TTA. Also good to know how to handle a stomach wound properly. But to say "apply pressure to the wound" is not common knowledge is like saying people don't know that bullets kill.


No, actually, it's not. Else buddy wouldn't suck on his finger when he cut it with a knife, or get a cut and just run it under cold water til it stops bleeding. Think of all the dumb things people do when they're hurt.

Not to mention that seeing a real life mangled hand and having the presence of mind to apply proper first aid is commendable in itself. He got a dressing on the wound, elevated it, and then continued with the patient survey. That's not something you just pick up in common knowledge. Nice try though.
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You simply cannot say that direct pressure to the wound is not common knowledge.

Yes, people do stupid things in emergencies, which is why when taught in the military, they do it under stressful situations so that you get used to it. (Actually, it's probably better to say *expect* it)

Again, most of first aid is basic, the reason why people suck at it is because they suck under pressure and their brain quits functioning.


CPR is something different, that's not basic first aid and that has to be taught. Same with tourniquets. And again for the 4 life saving steps (Start the breathing, stop the bleeding, protect the wound, treat for shock)

But damn, putting a pressure bandage on a wound?

Edited by Linus - 18 January 2008 at 10:37pm

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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

You simply cannot say that direct pressure to the wound is not common knowledge.

Yes, people do stupid things in emergencies, which is why when taught in the military, they do it under stressful situations so that you get used to it. (Actually, it's probably better to say *expect* it)

Again, most of first aid is basic, the reason why people suck at it is because they suck under pressure and their brain quits functioning.


CPR is something different, that's not basic first aid and that has to be taught. Same with tourniquets. And again for the 4 life saving steps (Start the breathing, stop the bleeding, protect the wound, treat for shock)

But damn, putting a pressure bandage on a wound?


*sigh* whatever, I don't even care to debate this with you. I've never seen you admit to changing your mind on anything once in the whole time I've been on this forum.

Carry on Mari-.
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Seriously, you're acting that childish? I expect it from Chewp and USAF, but not you. Even with our disagreements, you've never stooped to that level.


But you know, I'm apparently only allowed to have an opinion when someone else can force a change on me. Yeah... that makes sense.

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It was hilarious.  You're being a stubborn fool.
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Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

It was hilarious. You're being a stubborn fool.


So you're saying applying pressure to a cut is not common knowledge?


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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by Skillet42565 Skillet42565 wrote:

It was hilarious. You're being a stubborn fool.


So you're saying applying pressure to a cut is not common knowledge?



It is.  But he also did a systematic check and a prioritized the injuries and medical needs of 2 victims.  I don't think thats as much common sense.
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"This guy is bleeding more than the other guy, I should help him first. Hmm, he is missing 4 fingers and has a small cut on his leg... the hand needs to be helped first."


Hard?

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Most people do not think clearly like that in emergency situations.  But thanks to your extensive 2 weeks of training, you would know what to do.
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Seriously, you're acting that childish? I expect it from Chewp and USAF, but not you. Even with our disagreements, you've never stooped to that level.


You're right. Maybe it should be an indicator when even I've grown that annoyed with the constant not-so-subtle 'back in boot' mentions.
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