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    Posted: 10 February 2008 at 10:29am
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By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Climate Change: Not every scientist is part of Al Gore's mythical "consensus." Scientists worried about a new ice age seek funding to better observe something bigger than your SUV — the sun.

Related Topics: Global Warming

Back in 1991, before Al Gore first shouted that the Earth was in the balance, the Danish Meteorological Institute released a study using data that went back centuries that showed that global temperatures closely tracked solar cycles.

To many, those data were convincing. Now, Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better "eyes" with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact on Earth's climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our planet combined.

And they're worried about global cooling, not warming.

Kenneth Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, is among those looking at the sun for evidence of an increase in sunspot activity.

Solar activity fluctuates in an 11-year cycle. But so far in this cycle, the sun has been disturbingly quiet. The lack of increased activity could signal the beginning of what is known as a Maunder Minimum, an event which occurs every couple of centuries and can last as long as a century.

Such an event occurred in the 17th century. The observation of sunspots showed extraordinarily low levels of magnetism on the sun, with little or no 11-year cycle.


Odd source yes, but interesting nonetheless.


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They're wrong of course, we're completely responsible for a warming of the planet that will completely drown all the polar bears if we don't all start switching to bio-fuels or start biking to work every day.

Come on you nay-sayer, you're blind to the facts that an upstanding scientist like Al Gore makes so clear in his ground breaking documentary.


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does this mean they will stop forcing me to use crappy gas?

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Meh, I am not to worried about it, I figure I will be dead before anything bad actually happens.
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Global warming isn't "warming".

It's the extremes of both spectrums of temperature; extreme weather.


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Originally posted by Bolt3 Bolt3 wrote:

Global warming isn't "warming".

It's the extremes of both spectrums of temperature; extreme weather.
True. Some locations will experience warming, while others will experience cooling. "Global Warming" is kind of a misnomer. It's not a blanket term that describes what will happen everywhere.

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Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Originally posted by Bolt3 Bolt3 wrote:

Global warming isn't "warming".

It's the extremes of both spectrums of temperature; extreme weather.
True. Some locations will experience warming, while others will experience cooling. "Global Warming" is kind of a misnomer. It's not a blanket term that describes what will happen everywhere.

I don't know about you, but that sounds pretty exciting. I'm kinda pumped up for it.
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Originally posted by Bolt3 Bolt3 wrote:


Global warming isn't "warming".It's the extremes of both spectrums of temperature; extreme weather.


Actually, close, but no cigar. The term global warming was actually originally coined to coincide with the original thoughts of dramatic and un-controlled warming brought on by the greenhouse effect. Regardless of whether it still gets 'cold' each year, the constant factor that is needed to truly back up the scientifically accepted theory of global warming is that the average temperature per year rises. An even extreme in temperatures wouldn't allow that to happen as they would continue to cancel each other out through averaging. Hence the fact that the scientific community has started using the word "Climate Change" as we are seeing not a simple increase in temperatures world-wide, but complete pattern changes that are wreaking havoc on other areas. It's snowing in the low-lands of the middle east which is amazing due to not only the temperature change, but the fact that there is precipitation in the freaking desert! Meanwhile the mid-Atlantic is having one of the mildest winters in years and the South East is seeing thunderstorms in February. The results of this change are far more in line with the pole-shift theories that scientists have had for over 150 years, way more so than with the original greenhouse effect / global warming predictions. However, the poles aren't shifting as the magnetic declination is still in it's proper alignment. If you look at the scientific community they can't agree that "Global Warming" is happening, but even the nay-sayers can agree that "Climate Change" is taking effect right before our eyes.
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There is a much higher chance of us killing ourselves than bad weather doing the deed.

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Bout damn time I get some good weather for ice fishing...
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Biofuels suck and are worse than gasoline apparently: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004171188 _ethanol08.html
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Originally posted by WGP guy2 WGP guy2 wrote:

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Got to that word, stopped reading.
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Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

Originally posted by WGP guy2 WGP guy2 wrote:

mythical
       

Got to that word, stopped reading.


I stopped at WGP guy2.
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Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

Originally posted by WGP guy2 WGP guy2 wrote:

mythical
       

Got to that word, stopped reading.


Ah, I get it.  If someone isn't reaffirming your belief, then you don't care enough to listen to them.
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Originally posted by WGP guy2 WGP guy2 wrote:

Originally posted by Man Bites Dog Man Bites Dog wrote:

Originally posted by WGP guy2 WGP guy2 wrote:

mythical
       

Got to that word, stopped reading.


Ah, I get it.  If someone isn't reaffirming your belief, then you don't care enough to listen to them.


The insertion of an author's or media company's bias is poor journalism, and does not deserve to be taken with anything more than a grain of salt.
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Proven marketing techniques, "The Sky is Falling" works a lot better than the "we have to research and solve a problem" approach. Gore screams "global warming" but is in the "carbon credit" market, raises a question. Scientists to justify thier grants (and lifestyle) must follow the money over true science. "Martian Warming" and a melting of the Martian icecaps is a scientific fact also, now without humans and SUV's on Mars, how is that happening? Martian atmosphere is @90% CO2 yet no appreciable "greenhouse effect". So think there is a natural relationship between "Martian Warming" and that great heat tab in the sky?

I remmember the 70's and the "New Ice Age" as well as the beginnings of the "Earthday" movement, now a total reversal. Follow the money...Follow the money....
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:



I remmember the 70's and the "New Ice Age"


Isn't that when scientists were proposing that we spread the ashes from factories onto the icecaps to attract heat and help melt some of the ice?


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Yep, the therory was that we needed to heat up the planet to maintain the balance, and keep the ice caps from expanding. Expanding icecaps would speed up the "New Ice Age".
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Damn scientists never get anything right...

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