Time to buy a LOT of dip

bye-bye flavored tobacco products

That tears it. I've been willing to give this administration (and congress, to a lesser extent) the benefit of the doubt, but this is crap. I can see some of the motivation to turn it away from congressional control to avoid corruption, but turning it over to an unelected government body who's regulations carry the same weight of law pisses me off. I'm really going to miss skoal apple.

Flavored tobacco is for children anyway.

Good riddance.

Retarded right wing American stereotype? Check..

First of all, re-read what I posted. I'm more likely to give the president some slack. You can't smoke anywhere anymore(at least in this state) so smokeless tobacco, without any second-hand effects, is a better alternative.Tobacco use is declining as it is, and I'm not totally against all parts of this, but limiting my ability to make choices is bull. I'm not even opposed to slightly high taxes to offset health care (this is assuming we will get some type of government run health care program, if not I'll gladly pay higher premiums). But banning flavored products is obnoxious, as is the attitude that you're protecting me from myself. If you're worried about health care costs, federally mandate helmets for motorcycles on highways, for bike riders of any age, ban extreme sports, and put a 100% tax on fast food. A brain injury can lead to a lifetime of medical costs and inability to work, and obesity is more epidemic than smoking. 

rednekk98 wrote: First of all, re-read what I posted. I'm more likely to give the president some slack. You can't smoke anywhere anymore(at least in this state) so smokeless tobacco, without any second-hand effects, is a better alternative.Tobacco use is declining as it is, and I'm not totally against all parts of this, but limiting my ability to make choices is bull. I'm not even opposed to slightly high taxes to offset health care (this is assuming we will get some type of government run health care program, if not I'll gladly pay higher premiums). But banning flavored products is obnoxious, as is the attitude that you're protecting me from myself. If you're worried about health care costs, federally mandate helmets for motorcycles on highways, for bike riders of any age, ban extreme sports, and put a 100% tax on fast food. A brain injury can lead to a lifetime of medical costs and inability to work, and obesity is more epidemic than smoking.

There is only a slight problem with that attitude, the amount of injuries/death from "extreme" sports is very small, and many regulations already exists such as life jackets on a boat ect...

also, taxing fast food? you are blaming fast food on obesity in the states? sigh...

The amount of deaths and disease caused from tobacco is very substantial and is very easy to tax an regulate... unlike food, durrrrr

Wow... That's really not cool. If dip was taken off shelves I'd be very upset. And to all those people who say "Doesn't effect me LOL", it's just some freedom you're letting go down the drain.

OS: Stop grouping us all together.
Cedric: Agreed. I'd almost never considered dipping, but if  were having a good time at a party and didn't want to drink too much, a pinch would get me to where I wanted to be and I'd be good to drive in a while.

This thread makes cultural differences even more apparent, we're supposed to be tolerant, but OK with government action that only effects social groups we tend to disagree with. If you're more liberal, cracking down on tobacco is OK, but pot should be legal. Whatever. I tend to believe that adults should be allowed to make decisions about their own bodies as it applies to substances, sex, etc. to the greatest extent practical. Maybe the birth control pill should come with a graphic label showing a herpes-blistered vagina as a warning that it does not protect against STD's.

"Massive tax increases... (I'm sure its only for the rich... you know people like "peter")"   But our millionaires in Congress will ensure the tax hike does not affect them, only us "middle classer's who make (insert number here), and the plan they impose on you will not be the plan they provide for themselves.