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Its time fellas, under the hood of the Phenom

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    Posted: 30 October 2009 at 6:30pm
Oh man, christmas came early! The UPS man just made his rounds and stopped outside my house. I certainly wasnt expecting one of these to show up on my step this soon. So it looks I get to show everyone inside Tippmann's new "flex valve" system. Most everyone thats interested has seen the basic field strip in videos and pictures, but nobody was showing the inside of the valve.

So some first pics...Unboxed and put together. Initial impressions, its way lighter than the regular X7. Its also much shorter as advertised. In terms of feel, its definately very high on my list of nice milsim type guns. It also seems like Tippmann decided to spiff out a few bits that I wasnt aware needed spiffing. The push pins have a black dust ano job now instead of the glossy ano. Also its worth mentioning the first new stock barrel ever for a non-98 Tippmann. At least Im pretty sure, and thank god. The ancient middle-ported barrel that was stock since the Pro-Am was showing its age. The new stock barrel seems to have a nicer internal bore, and tight grouped porting at the tip.

I didnt get any pictures of the reciever halves split open, because honestly theres absolutely nothing in there. The only 2 parts inside the reciever halves is the ball detent and the barrel adapter. Also interestingly, since the design doesnt require smooth sliding surfaces for a rear bolt, the entire inside of the reciever halves is hollowed out for weight reduction.





And field stripped. Not much to say here, it comes apart fast thats for sure. One worry I noticed is the extra "push pin" that retains the valve in place is plastic. A bit odd, considering it has a pretty narrow neck in the middle.





The trigger group is interesting, and a fairly clever layout. In manual mode, the area of the trigger that intersects the safety sinks into a slot cut into the safety. In electro mode, the trigger is sortof "half-stopped" by the safety, so it cant engage the "sear" or whatever the term for the piece on the right is. In mech mode, the top of the trigger lifts the "sear" and that piece in turn presses a simple on/off type valve in the bottom of the main valve. In electro mode, the "sear" is actuated by the solenoid. Pretty standard stuff. Now heres where it gets weird....





I have absolutely no idea how switching the safety to electro mode activates the board...I really really dont. Theres no physical switch on the board except for the mode select button. The board detects the trigger using 2 hall effect switches at the top that detect 2 magnets set in the bottom rear sides of the trigger. Also notice in the trigger picture that the area with the magnets is adjustable in some fashion by a set screw in the trigger. Im not exactly sure what it adjusts, most likely fire sensitivity, because this isnt mentioned at all in the manual. Im already imagining plenty of folks messing with that set screw and throwing the sensitivity out of whack, then getting utterly confused because its not in the manual.

I like the fact that they added the plastic frame to the board. Should prevent folks from knocking components off.

Also check out the nifty brass internal hardline. Someone must have had fun programming the bender to crank THOSE out...


Well here goes with the valve. I like the way they decided to just make the thing completely self contained. Its a bit fun to open up all the way, all that it requires is removing the velocity adjuster, unscrewing the rear housing with a crescent wrench, and everything drops out the back.



Its a bit of an interesting method. From what I can figure, the rear spool (second from left) functions as the on/off on a mag does, shutting the source off once the dump chamber is charged. The main spool (first on the left) plugs the powertube, and works like a balanced spool valve. The trigger valve on the bottom simply adds enough pressure on one side to pull the spool back, opening the dump chamber to the powertube. Also along the way in the firing cycle, at the very end of the bolt extension, a small internal hole is opened, which operates the cyclone feed.

Most of the weight of the reciever comes from the brass regulator piston and the velocity adjuster. Theyre both pretty hefty for their size.

Its pretty amusing the way they plugged the holes that were used to drill the internal air passages in the valve. And theres a lot of them, someone put some time into thinking of how to physically build this into a self contained unit.



Overall Im pretty damn impressed. Im not even sure how to classify it, a blow forward spooler with a sear tripper e-grip that doesnt actually use a sear?

Keep an eye on the Replacement Parts Guide thread in Maintenance & Repair, Ill be updating it with hardware and o-ring specs from this thing in the next couple days.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hades Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 October 2009 at 7:45pm
I really like how Tippmann eliminated the outer air-line and figured how to run it through the grip. The outer air-lines have always bugged me.

I also love how few moving parts they used to put this marker together. And not having to take the receiver halves apart to work on the internals, much appreciated.

I am glad you took yours apart first. Now I do not have to do so and risk breaking it, when I get mine.

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Nice job Enos
 
I'd love to print that out, roll it up, and hit the "it's a mag copy" guys on the nose. LOL
 
 
Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:

And field stripped. Not much to say here, it comes apart fast thats for sure. One worry I noticed is the extra "push pin" that retains the valve in place is plastic. A bit odd, considering it has a pretty narrow neck in the middle.
 
The push pin has two orings on it. Without the orings the valve will leak.
As far as I can see, the valve will not fire with the pin removed. The balance air will not allow
the valve to operate. I assume so that someone doesn't fire the front bolt into their forehead
while trying to see how it works.
 
Best question of all... did you shoot it?
It's glorious.
 
 
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Originally posted by TinMan TinMan wrote:

Nice job Enos
 
I'd love to print that out, roll it up, and hit the "it's a mag copy" guys on the nose. LOL
 
 
 
 
It is a mag copy it is a mag copy!
 
*Ahem*
 
The X7 Phenom borrows technology derived from the best marker ever manufactured by man, the AutoMag, as does every high end marker today for the most part LOL
 
On a serious note, what SN do you have Enos? Tippmann should be mailing mine out soon, so im curious if I get one in the first few hundred.
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#25, its in the first picture :D
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I'll find out for myself soon, but how does one change firing modes? It was advertised that you no longer had to stick the screwdriver in the grip....what's different?
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Originally posted by Enos Shenk Enos Shenk wrote:

#25, its in the first picture :D
 
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Looks really good. I'm sure I'll be seeing plenty of those at Skirmish.
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Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

I'll find out for myself soon, but how does one change firing modes? It was advertised that you no longer had to stick the screwdriver in the grip....what's different?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wfRe9Du960

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Originally posted by choopie911 choopie911 wrote:

Originally posted by Reb Cpl Reb Cpl wrote:

I'll find out for myself soon, but how does one change firing modes? It was advertised that you no longer had to stick the screwdriver in the grip....what's different?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wfRe9Du960

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I've seen that vid a few times, must have missed that info.
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Enos: Where is the Phenom made?
 
I was extremely dissapointed today in Walmart to see a Chinese made 98..
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So essentially it works the same way a balanced valve air cannon works, but with an extremely convoluted trigger mechanism.
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and still no randon forumer selected for field testing....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote choopie911 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 November 2009 at 2:51pm
Also interesting that their box now says "The most customizable marker in paintball", because as I recall that was the 98 custom's claim to fame.
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^^^The 98 is "customizable," this one is "customizabler" and the next one will be the "customizablest."
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So I just got mine!  Looks amazing, and I looove the packaging design, very smart and tiny.
I'm just curious though about the shroud on the front, my push pins were extremely hard to put in.  I dont really see any way I could get these things out now to remove the shroud without some SERIOUS elbow grease and a good pair of pliers.
Anyone else like that, or just me?
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Mine was really tight as well. At least we dont have to worry about the push-pins falling out.
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Just a little unsure on how I'll remove them now if I want to change it, etc...or put it back in the box.
Pliers I guess.

Otherwise, holy crap!  I see what enos was talking about a few days ago with the trigger feeling electro even when mech because of the delicate touch.  Getting a battery tomorrow to go test it out methinks.
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With consecutive serial numbers like 25, im not so sure Id want to play paintball with it :P
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Originally posted by Ceesman762 Ceesman762 wrote:

and still no randon forumer selected for field testing....


No but there where Dozens of players who are not with the Moderator Staff that where on the Test Team. I have to say I have never seen such a large test group as with this Marker. There where Markers sent around the world for testing.

Tippmann wanted real time input from it's player base from around the world.
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