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JohnnyBee
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Topic: Apex barrel for the 98 PSPosted: 03 June 2010 at 1:26pm |
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Hey all
Im looking to buy an Apex barrel but don't know how or where to go about getting one. I don't even know who is the true maker of the Apex barrel and I want to make sure i don't accidently buy a nock off brand of the apex. Can anyone please let me know who makes the Apex barrel and where is a good reliable place to buy a tippmann 98 PS Apex ready barrel combo? Also, for the 98, can I buy any barrel and put the apex tip on it? or do I have to buy a barrel and tip combo together? For example: I was looking into buying the Tippmann 98 Straightline barrel kit from there site. Would I be able to put the Apex tip on that? or on any hammerhead barrel I might buy? Thanks for any help. It is much appreciated. Johnny
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Magoo
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Posted: 03 June 2010 at 2:04pm |
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Rifling + Apex = bad idea...
The Apex works by using a friction ramp on the muzzle of the barrel. Imagine what would happen if the paintball was already spinning when it hit said ramp... Anyways, BT makes the Apex, and no one else does. There are no knock-offs. Here's what I suggest. Lapco makes a good barrel, and you get one Apex ready from the factory. The one I linked includes the Apex tip as well. |
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Posted: 03 June 2010 at 2:31pm |
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Thanks for the advice.
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Posted: 03 June 2010 at 2:41pm |
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Are there any other barrels brands aside from the lapco that come Apex ready? I was hoping that hammerhead made one so that I could have an Apex ready barrel and an interchangeable fin set. But apex doesn't work with rifling? which is what hammerhead makes. thanks again
johnny
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Posted: 03 June 2010 at 4:42pm |
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I bought the apex tip, then got a CP tactical barrel which has a threaded tip. On the LAPCO website they sell a threaded apex tip adaptor and wala! put the 3 together and it is awesome. When I don't want to have the apex I just unscrew it and put the other tip on it! It looks cool with or with out it too! The CP barrel is very accurate as well with or with out the apex.
BT is Ben Tippmann just so you know. Good luck!
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Posted: 03 June 2010 at 4:58pm |
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Posted: 03 June 2010 at 6:11pm |
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To answer your question about Hammerheads, yes, they can be used if you add the adapter over the end threads and then add the Apex. The same as Lapco barrels ,CP etc. J&J makes an adapter for their barrels as well that is not threaded but uses set screws. You can also use the tape mod over the end of an existing barrel that many ballers find completely satisfactory. Also, the spin from a Hammerhed is not so dramatic that is affects the use of the Apex. I look to try a combination of the Hammerhead Widowmaker and the Apex myself just to see what happens. I have my Apex on a Smart Parts All American tip that screws into the freak back. It does a fine job.
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Magoo
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Posted: 03 June 2010 at 7:54pm |
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I will be honest, I'm going off of speculation. I haven't had a chance to test the Apex and HH barrels. However, if the rifling isn't dramatic enough to affect the flight of the ball when it hits the Apex, then why get a HH kit, if the main reason to buy one becomes useless (i.e. the rifling). There are cheaper barrel kits out there that are just as effective with an Apex.
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SmakDaddy
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Posted: 04 June 2010 at 1:58am |
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JohnnyBee asked the question about the Apex in relation to HHead and Straightline barrels. I own the HHead and answered his question. The spiralling in the HHead barrel is not so dramatic that it creates a gyroscopic effect on the ball. It is not the same as the dramatic affect on a metal bullet that actually acquires its own rifling while travelling down a rifled barrel. Indeed, the HHead is a high quality highly polished barrel with multple backs for proper boring. This is what sets up the ball, stabilizes it as best possible for a paintball and then directs it thru the Apex. You use a 275 to 285 fps speed which is preferred by the HHead and the Apex and you use quality smaller paint. This is the formula for really good HHead/Apex shots. The Apex gives the additional distance and the HHead gives increased accuracy. And plus if you turn the Apex off, you still have a really good HHead barrel to do some good accurate work for you.
I have a very similar set up with a Freak back (with all the bore sizes) and a spiral ported All American front with the Apex adapter and the Apex. The spiral porting is there to help stabilize the ball, reduce the noise signature, and put the ball in great shape as it enters the Apex. The Apex is what puts the dramatic back spin on the ball.
I have used this set up and formula on both high and low pressure markers with excellent results..
This can be done with almost any barrel or barrel kit as I pointed out in my earlier post as long as the barrel tip is squared off and not tapered to a point. This was, also, pointed out by Ceesman with the use of the CP Tactical barrel, another high quality highly polished barrel.
You are the first to bring up price, I assume when JohnnyBee said he was looking at Straightline barrels he was aware of the cost.
J&J, CP, Lapco, Smart Parts, Proto all have classic one piece barrels that lend themselves to the addition of the Apex with little modification. These are great values and all work very well with the Apex if the rest of the formula is applied ie, 280 fps, smaller quality paintballs. And practice, practice, practice. You can now add a TechT IFit (Python) set of bore backs to match the barrel and paint as well if wanted by the shooter.
The originator of this post asked specifically about the HHeads (Straightlines)/Apex Combo and that is what I answered for him.
If you have the opportunity in the near future, look down the barrel of a HHead and notice not only the 'extended' rifling but the extremely high, jewel-like internal polish. Just look at the barrel and hold it in your hands. It is a barrel to appreciate within itself....and they are expensive. But then I have seen some really good HHead purchases on Ebay in the last 6 months.
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Posted: 04 June 2010 at 10:37am |
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Thanks for all the input everyone. I appreciate it. And as long as I'm understanding correctly then the Apex should work fine with a HHead barrel that has rifling. And the rifling actually increases accuracy with the Apex? cool. Thanks again.
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Posted: 04 June 2010 at 3:53pm |
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hey guys,
I've been doing more research and I've narrowed it down to these brands of barrels to match with the apex tip that i want to get: Lapco Hammerhead CP Tactical Now by what i can tell and what I've read, all these brands seem to have barrels that are apex ready with threading at the front tip of the barrel. All i need to know now is what everyone suggests to be the optimal choice out of the three brands? Do any of these give me more options in terms of accessories or bore fins? Also if there are any other good brands that anyone can suggest. Please let me know. As of right now I'm looking at the CP tactical barrel with the apex ready tip but not positive. Thanks for any help johnny
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Ceesman762
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Posted: 04 June 2010 at 3:55pm |
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My son has the CP tactical on his 98 and loves it.
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Posted: 04 June 2010 at 5:37pm |
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I previously had the LAPCO apex ready barrel and now I have the CP tactical with the apex added on like I mentioned earlier and I prefer the CP by far!!
Good Luck!! Jason
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Posted: 05 June 2010 at 3:37am |
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Before you make a decision, I remembered a barrel kit that I think you should look at. Go to www.flascpaintball.com and ck out the barrel bore kit that sells for $119.00 with the Apex adapter as a removable tip plus $20 for the Apex. Seems you get 5 9" bores (barrels), 2 extentions of 3 and 5 inches and you can choose your own type of porting. You will have barrels of 9, 12, 14, and 17 inches and the ability to add more tips as wanted. The reviews on this are excellent. It ismade in Canada and may take 2 weeks to arrive but it seems you get a lot for your money. Otherwise I would go with a Hammerhead Bangstixx with 3 or 5 fins plus the adapter and the Apex. Rockstar Paintball and Shop4Paiintball have the screw-on adapters for about $19 and the Apex for $30
I think it is important to have some type of bore sizing to give you the best ball going into the Apex whether it be a TechT IFit Kit or the matching bores with the barrel. And the Ifit Kit can always be a welcome addition at a later date.
Hope this helps,.
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Posted: 05 June 2010 at 9:57am |
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Barrels are one of the most important upgrades to your marker you can make but the first thing to consider is the type of paint you use and the type of paint your field uses.some of the fields i go to don't use paint that is not consistently round and using Hammer Head barrel kit with fin backs becomes tricky to size for paint to bore match because when to football shape ball blows up in the barrel it will need to be squeegeed the riffling holds paint that will attach to the next ball and cause a hook so there goes accuracy.now a smooth bore barrel like a j@j ceramic will self clean after a few shoots enough that in a fire fight can make difference between getting shot shooting or cleaning your barrel.
As far as a Apex tip i can attach one to just a bout any barrel with two 10 cent orings. I have shot with the tip on HH battle stix ,16 inch J@J ceramic and stock phenom barrel and planet eclipse Ego 07 barrel i am all around happy with the performance ,I also have done comparison with the flat line barrel and I feel the apex holds a pattern tighter at long distance shoots. Once you decide on a barrel system and apex .take the time to play with all the settings on the apex to learn how it controls the ball at different setting and distance. Goodwrench Tippmann x7 Phenom Hammer Head Battle stix 16 inch J@J ceramic Flatline Barrel Apex Barrel TPX Pistol Hammer Head barrel Planet Eclipse Ego |
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Posted: 05 June 2010 at 11:43am |
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Yes, quality paint is a primary requirement of using an Apex on any barrel. Even with the self cleaning properties of a J&J, if a ball breaks in the barrel, the Apex remains a mess. If you are in a battle and need to recover some accuracy to defend yourself, one must turn the Apex off and defend himself with the remaining barrel no matter what it is, If your field has only lower grade paint and you have this problem, choose another barrel or turn the Apex off before you start. It is just not a good combination. If not, you will be cleaning barrels all day. It will be one football after another.
I love J&J, have them and use them often but I still encourage JohhnyBee to look carefully at the FLASC barrel kit and he seems to appreciate the importance of having various bores available for the quality smaller paintballs needed for the Apex.
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JohnnyBee
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Posted: 05 June 2010 at 7:22pm |
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Sorry for the late response everyone. Was out of town. As always thanks to everyone for the very helpful information. I have bit of research ahead of me now. I really like the CP tactical but I think Im definitely gonna want to go with a apex ready barrel kit. The Hammerhead is looking promising and I'll look into the FLASC as well. It seems awesome. Also Im not positive, but I think I saw somewhere that I can attach bore fins to the CP tactical as well? Thanks again everyone. Feel free to leave more suggestion. Its much appreciated.
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Posted: 06 June 2010 at 8:31am |
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Hey all,
Upon my endless research, I have another question, What barrel LENGTH should I be using in combination with the Apex? I know that I in general I should not go any longer than 16" and no shorter than 12" but, are there any Range and Accuracy differences between 12", 14", 16" ? Or is it just length feel and look to be gained form the different barrels sizes? Im looking for range and accuracy boost so if I gain the most with a 16" then I'll go 16" but if I don't gain any difference from a 16" over the 12 than I'll go 12" because I want to keep my gun as compact as possible to move quicker. Reason is, I played with a 14" on my 98 recently and that was pushing it due to it making my 98 with buttstock a very long gun and it was hard to get around bushes without making wide turns. Then on top of that ill be putting a 3" apex on the end. Ouch, that would be even longer. So that being said, Im looking for accuracy and range boost aside form the obvious bore sizing. Just need to know what length is optimal for range/acc and apex. If its 16" then so be it. Ill sacrifice comfort for range/acc. As always thanks and any help is appreciated. Johnny
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Posted: 06 June 2010 at 9:36am |
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For barrel length 8 to 14 inch is more then sufficient,general rule of thumb he longer the barrel the higher your velocity will need to be turned up .because what a one of the jobs a barrel does is stabilize the ball after the trigger is pulled it needs abut 5-8 inchs do to this,after that the ball is being slowed down by the friction of the barrel so to maintain 275 fps you would need to turn up the velocity screw in turn using more air .the apex allows you to use a short barrel and give you a longer distance shot .what it comes down to is how much barrel you want on the end of your marker.
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Posted: 06 June 2010 at 1:32pm |
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Another good reason to consider the FLASC system. You can choose from a variety of lengths. The Apex will just screw on the 9" bore barrel, or the 12" or the 14" or the 17". The Apex itself will add 2 or 3 inches to the barrel.
Also, If you are shooting the Custom 98, you are shooting an unregulated air marker.(Unless you have a regulator installed). The adjustment screw only interrupts the pulse of air coming into the marker. The pulse is always the same amount of air. If you need to increase your FPS, you are just interupting less of that pulse to go down the barrel. Because of this, the increased barrrel lengths will not alter your efficiency. The barrel friction on the highly polished barrels considered here will change your fps only 2 or 3 fps, 5 max.
From the way you describe your style of play, seems the 9" FLASC plus the Apex or the 12" plus the Apex will give you an ideal set up. You will be controlling your bore and length with the Apex as a bonus.
Using the smaller quality balls, a 275 fps speed setting and with some practice to familiarize yourself with the set up, you will be a terror on the field.
Play hard, play safe, and have fun,
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