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    Posted: 09 December 2010 at 4:49am
I am a Police Officer, I am also on Crash Rescue.  I have responded to many incidents where people have been traped in their vehicels that had passed on, or were in real bad shape.  The idea of finding someone recording the event is.....  Where does the press find these people.  If you watch the longer video, you can hear someone laughing.
 
 
I say good job to the trooper.  I know that there is a freedom of speech, but there are times to have respect. 
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I agree with the copper 100%.

It wouldn't  even occur to me that this needed to be filmed. If it's newsworthy then write a story.

The cop summed it up well "does this look like something that needs to be filmed?" The press and the free speech brigade seem to think they are entitled to do what they want. It seems childish to defend their actions with "But im allowed and you cant stop me" In this case common decency should take priority.
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I'm fine with them reporting on the event, however I agree you don't need to film someone dying.
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Originally posted by Jackass on the site Jackass on the site wrote:

A photographer doing his job in an apparently professional manner. He keeps his distance. Does not appear to be in a particularly dangerous spot and does not interfere with the important operation at hand. The trooper, on the other hand, appears to confront the photographer and the public by losing his cool in a very unprofessional manner.


What a douche.

He's just a photographer doing his job?  Last time I checked recording with camcorder =/= photography.

The trooper was unprofessional?  I imagine it is rather hard to keep one's composure when dealing with inconsiderate morons just after seeing some lady's brain matter all over the inside of a car.

I'm usually the last person to side with the police, but this is just ridiculous.
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From a professional standpoint; owning a recording device of some form doesn't make you a photographer. 

Having a mix of skills and knowledge to be able to capture moments in time, AND the tact to know when it is appropriate to do so, makes you a photographer. This is simply a douche with a camera.


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I've responded to a few crashes myself when I was an active volunteer, and the idea of someone filming that stuff bothers the hell out of me. The trooper was NOT unprofessional, the d-bag with the camera was disgusting. Aftermath? fine. But video taping a fatal crash is in really bad taste.

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Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:


The trooper was unprofessional?  I imagine it is rather hard to keep one's composure when dealing with inconsiderate morons just after seeing some lady's brain matter all over the inside of a car.



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One asks about the Hindenburg video or the video of JFK.

On the other hand are there not laws governing who or what can be filmed? And what can be released to the public? How can people release footage of people who have not agreed and can not agree to them being filmed?

A car accident is not news. This is techno-rubber necking.


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A car accident is not news. This is techno-rubber necking.
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I believe the law states that anyone can be filmed in a public place without the given consent by the filmees. Public roads means this person is able to film there.

Agreed with the cop, but this reminds me of the Olympic luge accident. The pictures and video released are kinda disturbing yet still get put out on the internet.
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Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:

I believe the law states that anyone can be filmed in a public place without the given consent by the filmees. Public roads means this person is able to film there.

As far as I understand, only audio has to be consented to.
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In the general public there is no expectation of privacy.  But if you are standing around on the border of a emergency scene....that becomes a little less public.  They brought up the 911 and the JFK videos.  The JFK was being recorded prior to the shooting.  The 911 videos was a huge national incident. Both of those videos were used by Law Enforcement and Govt. Agencies after the fact. 

There is a time and a place for recording things.  When rescue workers are working to save a life....IS NOT ONE OF THOSE TIMES.
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Originally posted by Tolgak Tolgak wrote:

Originally posted by RoboCop RoboCop wrote:

I believe the law states that anyone can be filmed in a public place without the given consent by the filmees. Public roads means this person is able to film there.

As far as I understand, only audio has to be consented to.

Depends on the state, same with video, but the law almost always leans in the favor of not needing permission to film or record in a public space. 
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I don't disagree that perhaps there wasn't a need to film a fatal car crash.

However, on the same hand, I do believe the cop was a little douchy and didn't necessarily handle this in the best possible way.
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Also, I'll just say this as someone who worked the breaking news beat for a while: 

Until someone puts up a police line, I'm going to wander in with camera/recorder up. You're free to kick me out all you want once a police line is up. But, until then, I'm capturing what I get sent out to capture. Especially if it is in the public arena, where the law sides on those doing the filming, shooting, recording, etc. And the law works like that for a reason. When you start trying to limit that stuff, you get an awfully detrimental chilling effect. 

Now, later on, deciding if something is inappropriate to be put in print, TV, online, etc., that's up to me and an editor, and personally - I've posted this a few times here before - I tend to lean more on the side of modesty with images. I only allowed blood once on the cover of the paper, and I never once put a distinguishable body part on the cover. That was my rule. If you can tell what it is, don't run it. 

I know it seems coldhearted and ruthless to film/record/shoot something like this. And to some extent, it is. There is a reason that nobody stays on the accident/crime beat for too long. One of my very good friends is working at a paper now doing just that, and it's rough. But, in the city she works in, she's got a good working relationship with the emergency workers. They know that if they let her into the area, the paper will show good restraint in dealing with what ends up being displayed. 
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"all you people, unless you have tickets for this event. get outta here"

What does that mean?  Tickets for this event?  Not knowing what hes talking about(ticket wise) he seems as disrespectful as the dude filming it, If not more.

Is tickets for this event some sort of slang?  For volunteer rescuers or something?
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Put yourself in the Troopers boots, you are witness to the unhappyness of all that is going on.  You are the first to respond to a crash where someone is busted up, or more than likely in this case burning alive.  Then you have some people laughing and holding a video camera.  You can tell by the tone of the troopers voice that he is not as happy go lucky as the camera man.  I know that I have been angered by people standing around watching as I am cutting a car off a person.  Then afterwords to have pictures and comments show up on the nextday's paper or news.  Most of the comments that pop up on the paper or news website telling the responders how they "civilain" could do the job better, among other things.......  Almost every rescue responder has wanted to run the rubber-neckers away from these things.  I'm not just talken police, ambulance, fire all of us.

The ticket for the event thing....  The press = spectators watching the event =  event like a football game.  you need a ticket to get into a football game.  Respect goes many ways Little Devil.  Was the Trooper paying more respect ot the victim or to the press?  Who deserves the respect at that exact moment, the people that were just laughing or the person in the car? 
 
Agent  - I know what you are saying.  But on a scene like this where the fire isn't even out,  and the ambulance is just pulling up? 
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Originally posted by Flurry Flurry wrote:

 But on a scene like this where the fire isn't even out,  and the ambulance is just pulling up? 

It's part of the job. A very grim job, but a job none the less. 
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Look, I agree the cop had a tough job there. I can't imagine, I fix electronic components for a living, not dealing with dead people.

But, having just watched the video again, I heard nothing to automatically assume that the guy with the camera was laughing or making light of the scene. I heard no laughter, the camera wasn't shaking as though he was....I heard no wisecracks. He may have been a guy who honestly thought it was his journalistic duty to film it.

The two officers who came over to break up group came over with an attitude. I understand they witnessed something traumatic. But this is something they should have better training for...they can't go off half cocked all the time...this is the age of citizen journalism, and officers will get in trouble when the public sees cops getting out of line on Youtube.

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Originally posted by Shub Shub wrote:

Look, I agree the cop had a tough job there. I can't imagine, I fix electronic components for a living, not dealing with dead people.

But, having just watched the video again, I heard nothing to automatically assume that the guy with the camera was laughing or making light of the scene. I heard no laughter, the camera wasn't shaking as though he was....I heard no wisecracks. He may have been a guy who honestly thought it was his journalistic duty to film it.

The two officers who came over to break up group came over with an attitude. I understand they witnessed something traumatic. But this is something they should have better training for...they can't go off half cocked all the time...this is the age of citizen journalism, and officers will get in trouble when the public sees cops getting out of line on Youtube.



Its not the first video, its the second one.



Also, why is it always the camera guys who are innocent?




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