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    Posted: 10 August 2004 at 9:15pm

What do you guys think of the possible next military cartridge[a 6.8mm] replacing the .223[5.56mm]?  I like the idea of a bigger bullet but why can't we use a 7mm thats been around for years on a shorter case[7x40]?  Seems kinda overcomplicated.

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I like 12 gauge shotguns...
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I havent heard of or seen the new cartridge. However, 6.8mm is the same size as .270 which is what my first rifle was chambered for and the .270 Winchester round utilizes the same case (althought witha smaller neck) as the 30-06 which is one of the reasons why I like it.

So I assume this new cartridge is the same with just a shorter case.

I'll have to read up on it, sounds neat.

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It sounds like the 6.8mm round should have very good balistics. It's a .277" diameter bullet, same as the .270 Winchester. It's supposed to function using bolt faces for 7.62X39mm AR-15 clones which are already being produced, and use slightly modified AR-15 mags holding 25 rounds instead of 30, all slapped onto an AR-15 lower. It's not the only round being considered. Failings of it include the fact that you can't use it to feed light machineguns with the same links used for the M249. The 6.8mm cartridge isn't going to replace the 5.56mm in the near future, but supliment it as a designated marksman's round or for special ops forces who'd like to have it. The average soldier will still be toteing an M-16.


EDIT: It's based off of the .30 remington case, which was a rimless .30-30 for autoloaders. The neat thing about it is how this project has gone from the bottom up. It's what the guys on the ground want, not what the brass wants them to have. Getting the cartridge designed only cost the military a few grand. Remington's taking a big gamble with this.

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Originally posted by Semper Durus Semper Durus wrote:

I like 12 gauge shotguns...
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i subscribe to a lot of gun magazines and havent heard of this at all. i'll search for it on google. 
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Originally posted by boomstick boomstick wrote:

joe dirt isn't the funniest movie of all time, Caddyshack is.

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Funny that the Chinese have had a similar cartidge for a few years...
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similar but not as good.  A .270 sure would seem to be an ideal "midpowered" caliber.  I have always been told that a 7mm bullet could not dispose of enough mass to contain various core requirements such as tracer rounds and armor piercing.  but that is where a shorten case like a 7mmx40 might be a good place to start and keep the bore we have so much knowledge on.  I guess im just skeptical that the .270 isn't as popular [at least where I live] as the the 7mm w/ hunters but that isn't mlitary.  But an arab isnt as big as a moose and prolly an easier target.  So much hype about those dang WSSM cartridges that arn't really an advantage will throw me off new calibers for a while.  but being made for soldiers by soldiers will outweigh any point i can make.  its their lives on the line not mine and they are trained for war, not prarie dog hunting.
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see y would u need a bigger bullet a small one still dose the job, and if u wana bigger bullet look at 50 cal. machine gun, or a sniper rifle
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a bigger bullet is more likely to kill a man with one shot than a smaller one because of a larger mass entering the body at a high speed.  kinda complicated but it works.
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Originally posted by meteora meteora wrote:

Originally posted by boomstick boomstick wrote:

joe dirt isn't the funniest movie of all time, Caddyshack is.

trust me joe dirt is

Joe Dirt has that everlasting funnyness about it. You remember lines from it for a long, long time. Like "See that peanut? Dead giveaway." LOL. Caddyshack was funny for the first one or two times.

Joe Dirt > Caddyshack

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Originally posted by 98c - baller 98c - baller wrote:

see y would u need a bigger bullet a small one still dose the job, and if u wana bigger bullet look at 50 cal. machine gun, or a sniper rifle
Probably because the smaller bullet DOESN'T do the job all the time. Especially with the short barreled carbines that don't allow the .223 to get enough velocity to be effective at range. Somehow I doubt they'd be issuing .50's to guys needing an assault rifle.
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Joe Dirt > Caddyshack but waynes world 1 or 2 is much >  joe dirt
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Hmm, i've always had this question and even my friend in the reserves coulndt answer it for me but what does the 5.56mm refer too?

I know it is something to do with the size, but is it the length or the width or circumfrance at the widest point or what?



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Originally posted by kwkmrorange kwkmrorange wrote:

Hmm, i've always had this question and even my friend in the reserves coulndt answer it for me but what does the 5.56mm refer too?


I know it is something to do with the size, but is it the length or the width or circumfrance at the widest point or what?



Its the cross sectional width of the bullet or diameter if you will.

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