Vision Impulse or Impulse

i am going to get a new gun next week and i was wondering which too choose the vision impulse or the impulse

my main concern was does the vision really do that much more the gun that there is such a price difference between the two

another main concern is can i use co2 on these guns stock and not have to buy anythin special to use c02??

any info greatly appreciated

Vision Impulse by far better.

i say get a nonvision, and get it was'd, was boards are pimp, i hopefully will get one in my shocker soon!!!!!!

when you think about it, it is just a 50 dollar increase from stock vision, if you get a base impulse and a was board

ok thanks for all ur info but i think i have changed my mind to a Tippmann A-5 just because i already have the 98 Custom all upped to my liking and i want the A-5 mainly to use as a speedball gun i i play one when i go to the fields with my friends

but what upgrades would u get for the A-5 for speedball besides the nitrogen cause i can only use co2

ScarFace22 wrote:  Get niether. I owned a Impy and it was a POS. I'll tell you now I am not an anti SP person. I like thier barrels but thier guns are cheap poop.  The Impy was ok stock but it needed over $1,000 dollars worth of upgrades to make it half decent. After adding those upgrades the gun still turned to poop. When it comes to guns SP takes alot of short cuts to make cheap quality guns. The Impy with vision isn't any better. The SP vision is horrible. Everything is wrong with it. The SP eyes use a reflective system. The problem with this is the eye laser is absorbed into dark colored paint so the board reads it as there being no ball in the chamber. When this happens the whole eye system becomes useless and it will end up doing more harm then good. Also the eye itslef is positioned upwards towards the feedneck. It is made like this for the eye to sense the dropping motion of the paint but again the design is screwed up and it can sometimes be useless IMO take it from someone who has owned and watched teamates shoot these guns. Saving your money and buying something better like a Trix, Timmy, Angel and the Cyborg is your best best. Don't make the same mistake I did. I bought a SP Pooppulse and put over $1,000 dollars into it, now after flushing all that money down the drain I have no money and Im trying to save for an Alias Timmy

Well Mr. Pacino I hate to be so bold but if you actually did put $1000 into your Imp and it turned out to be a POS, I suppose that was a reflection of your shallow knowlege of what you were doing in the first place. Kindly list the $1000 worth of upgrades that you added to your so-called 'poopy' Imp lol.

"When this happens the whole eye system becomes useless and it will end up doing more harm then good." What harm is using dark(basically it's called black) paint besides wasting your money because you should have known this in the first place? The only thing it does is doesn't shoot with the eye on. If you turn the eye off what happens? It shoots right? You know how to get around the black paint and reflective eye prob? Don't use it lol. Is that too difficult to handle?

The eye is exactly where the ball drops and not above it as you stated. At least you did know that the eye logic works on motion in it's stock state. Mine has been reprogramed(for free) and the eye logic works on the presence of the ball. I suppose this wasn't one of the abundance of upgrades you chose per se.

Take it from someone that has put a little into his Imp and gotten a ripping machine out of it.......Imps are great markers especially with Vision. You'll need a fast hopper to keep up with it's hellacous rof, that is if you can get your fingers moving at 20bps which most, contrary to what some say on the net, cannot accomplish anyways. Get a Zeggo or HALO and you'll do fine. Wonder if any of those markers that Mr. Pacino mentioned can run C02 and/or N2 like the Imp can? Ya......I don't think so -

AHHH IMPYKING ..reloaded

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you'd take an a-5 over an impulse. your crazy.  the impulse actually has a high rate of fire.  I'd say w.a.s.'d impulse, cause thats probably what im getting.  I have an a-5 and u cant upgrade it any more than a tippmann 98.

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Man....I like dis kinda stuff.........

$30 feed neck, $180 Freak, $100 LPR, $30 detents, $150 WAS, $125 Rat Gutz, $25 trigger & $30 ASA: $670......not quite $1000 but just past half way. Yes the prices were just guestimates -

1) I still have the tall stock feedneck on mine and it makes a nice tall stack of balls ready to feed my Imp. I don't see a need for an aftermarket one. There aren't many threads on the feedneck and you should have been a bit more careful or taken it to a tech if you couldn't handle the dexterity it takes to screw threads together. Nothing to do with the habitual 'Swiss cheese' clause that SP haters use as a means of leverage for their disrespect for SP -

2) I thought you liked SP barrels. Progressive isn’t the best but not the worst that is available for that price range. You can always but an aftermarket Imp with a more expensive barrel but you chose not to. Barrel is the first upgrade that most people get after buying any type of marker. A decent barrel like an AA would have sufficed in it’s place, you chose a very expensive kit…..your choice -

3) If I haven’t said it a million times, an Imp DOES NOT NEED an LPR. All an LPR accomplishes is bragging rights that your marker runs at a phenomenal low pressure and that’s even a lie. The input pressure is still at a whopping 180-200psi though the LPR may be at 100psi or less lol. The only practical use for an LPR is efficiency. My non-LPR’d Imp runs at 150psi at 4.5ms which is pretty much rock bottom dwell. I get about 1400 shots from my 68/4500 Crossy…….why would I need an LPR? I don’t and that may very well be why SP doesn’t supply them. FSDO…..what’s that? Never experienced it –

4) I have heard of the detents going on some Imps as you stated. Mine is over 2 years old and until I recently moved I played most every weekend and have not experienced this sort of prob -

5) So you bought a reflective eye board to replace your existing reflective eye board……hmmmmm. Doesn’t make too much sense to me if you thought that sort of system was “eyes are trash with thier poopy reflective system that only works 2% of the time.” then why replace it with the same? I have an ECS programmed board and it didn’t cost me a thing to add it to my board but $5 to make a harness. I’ve noticed that Imp owners are now hip to the fact that WAS really has nothing over an ECS programmed board but the bragging rights that it cost them $150 lol. So much for getting hypnotized by hype. Since I’ve installed ESC I have noticed a great difference in the performance of my Imp -

6) I’d venture to say that 90% of the markers available today come stock with aluminum bolts. If you choose to upgrade to delrin, that’s your choice. Destroy is a far cry from scratches isn’t it? Metal on metal always causes friction. Due to the physical aspects of friction wear is a result. What’s wrong with the valve unless you’re just making a general derogatory statement? Hammers could be made of stainless and not aluminum but they’re not. The weight of the aluminum is sufficient……this is a solenoid driven marker, not a blowback that runs off of springs and needs the weight to yield dwell. Again…..the choice of the owner -

7) I’ll agree with you there…..the stock trigger sucks on Imps and a replacement is a good first upgrade -

8) An ASA is an ASA……if you strip it you surely need to pay for your own moronic faults. You do not strip gigantic ASA threads, you crossthread it. Stripping a thread is turning it so hard that you actually remove the thread by force. I’ve yet to see anyone turning their bottle w/a pair of vice grips though you may be an exception to the rule unless you were just grasping at strings to prove a point -

I personally don’t use fields that require FPO and I do know that some people are forced into doing so. I’d say that I haven’t used field paint in over 10-12 years AMOF. I also suppose that some fields may offer black paint but have yet to run across one. There is normally a choice of different types of paints available at any respectably run field. I personally only use the best paint available(EVIL) in all of my 8 markers. As I stated before and you seemed to have overlooked it; if the Vision had a prob with dark paint anyone with half a brain would just turn the Vision off and rely on the fast feeding nature of their hopper –

The position of the Vision eye is perpendicular to the side plane of the marker and not at any angle at all. The ‘presence’ programming of ECS would not work if the ball was not present in front of the eye. It is not above the ball at all as you describe. You can keep trying to convince someone that knows though and waste your typing time here. If you actually had a WAS board, you’ll notice that it has the same prob with black paint. AMOF the WAS board needs a white bolt to work properly lol. So much for the mother of all Imp boards hee hee –

My particular Imp will never turn to ‘poop’ lol. Ya wanna know why? Well I’m gonna tell ya anyways; because I take care of all of my equipment and understand exactly what makes it tick and know how to fix and troubleshoot probs. I suppose we all can’t say that though. You can run any marker into the ground if you try hard enough and abuse it to the point of breakdown. How can a marker with a few parts have millions of problems lol? I think I’m catching on here……….maybe you fibbed a little when you mentioned earlier that you had no bad feelings towards Smart Parts eh? If they were so unreliable and ‘cheap’ as you put it, there wouldn’t be tons of them on fields everywhere. They would be few and far in between which isn’t the case at all –

BTW……..I’d venture to say that C02 is used by about 75% of all paintball enthusiasts. Not all players have $200 to drop on an N2 tank -

DRAGON wrote: 1) I still have the tall stock feedneck on mine and it makes a nice tall stack of balls ready to feed my Imp. I don't see a need for an aftermarket one. There aren't many threads on the feedneck and you should have been a bit more careful or taken it to a tech if you couldn't handle the dexterity it takes to screw threads together. Nothing to do with the habitual 'Swiss cheese' clause that SP haters use as a means of leverage for their disrespect for SP -

Meh tall feednecks are horrible and leave you very vulnerable to taking hit that could be prevented. You can make all the excuses you want but the truth is the Impulse aluminum is junk. If it was made of good quality it wouldn't strip at all. I don't hear people with Timmys, Angels, Matrixs (03 and 04) complain about stripping threads. Why is that you think. Maybe its because those companies don't use cheap quality aluminum. The point is that no matter how much you want to try to get around it and make excuses the fact is that the aluminum Sp uses is of swiss cheese quality.

DRAGON wrote: 2) I thought you liked SP barrels. Progressive isn’t the best but not the worst that is available for that price range. You can always but an aftermarket Imp with a more expensive barrel but you chose not to. Barrel is the first upgrade that most people get after buying any type of marker. A decent barrel like an AA would have sufficed in it’s place, you chose a very expensive kit…..your choice -

I do like SP barrels. But from using and testing all the SP barrels the Progressive is probably the worst in the SP barrel family. I chose an expensive kit for the reasons that I play in tournaments and need to be able to adjust to different bore sized paint.

DRAGON wrote: 3) If I haven’t said it a million times, an Imp DOES NOT NEED an LPR. All an LPR accomplishes is bragging rights that your marker runs at a phenomenal low pressure and that’s even a lie. The input pressure is still at a whopping 180-200psi though the LPR may be at 100psi or less lol. The only practical use for an LPR is efficiency. My non-LPR’d Imp runs at 150psi at 4.5ms which is pretty much rock bottom dwell. I get about 1400 shots from my 68/4500 Crossy…….why would I need an LPR? I don’t and that may very well be why SP doesn’t supply them. FSDO…..what’s that? Never experienced it –

FSDO-First Shot Drop Off. Impys do need an LPR for a couple of resons. First its to lower the pressure of the gun. The solnoid is of such poop quality that its getto rigged. The problem is that with the stock gun and no LPR the pressure is to high, your solnoid will eventually blow out. If you want to argue this talk to the guys at pbstar.com. The admin there can give you like 5 pages on this and everything else thats wrong with the Impy.Also the other reason is because of FSDO which I already explained.

DRAGON wrote: 4) I have heard of the detents going on some Imps as you stated. Mine is over 2 years old and until I recently moved I played most every weekend and have not experienced this sort of prob -

Ah..ok. I bet at some point you'll blow you detents.  

DRAGON wrote: 5) So you bought a reflective eye board to replace your existing reflective eye board……hmmmmm. Doesn’t make too much sense to me if you thought that sort of system was “eyes are trash with thier poopy reflective system that only works 2% of the time.”

Obvioulsy you know absoulty nothing about the WAS eye and why its better then the stock SP eyes. The WAS eyes are more powerful and can see through any paint, dirt and grime. Also the WAS eyes detect the ball in the breech not the dropping motion of the ball.

DRAGON wrote: So much for getting hypnotized by hype. If anyone is "hypnotized" by hype its you. Anyone who insist that Impys are good guns are just falling into the brainwashing and Bullpoop hype SP throws out there. DRAGON wrote: 6) I’d venture to say that 90% of the markers available today come stock with aluminum bolts. If you choose to upgrade to delrin, that’s your choice. Not really. Take a look around alot of high-end guns come with stock delrin bolts. DRAGON wrote: Destroy is a far cry from scratches isn’t it? Metal on metal always causes friction. Yea you know what your talking about...no not really. Metal on metal scartching against eachother over long term use will cause tons of serious damage to the interior of the gun. DRAGON wrote: What’s wrong with the valve unless you’re just making a general derogatory statement? Hammers could be made of stainless and not aluminum but they’re not. The weight of the aluminum is sufficient……this is a solenoid driven marker, not a blowback that runs off of springs and needs the weight to yield dwell. Again…..the choice of the owner - Everything is wrong with the internals of the gun. They're cheap quality and very ineffcient when it comes to gas. DRAGON wrote: 8) An ASA is an ASA……if you strip it you surely need to pay for your own moronic faults. You do not strip gigantic ASA threads, you crossthread it. Stripping a thread is turning it so hard that you actually remove the thread by force. I’ve yet to see anyone turning their bottle w/a pair of vice grips though you may be an exception to the rule unless you were just grasping at strings to prove a point - I really wish that could be true but after 6 months of usage I stripped the threads on the stock ASA and I can assure you it was not because of me. I CAN assure you that it was because of the poor quality aluminum. Let me give you an example. I've had my M98 for..o about 5 years now. I still use it for rec ball and the threads are still in perfect condition.  Maybe that is because again SP uses poop quality aluminum and Tippmann doesnt. [QUOTE=DRAGON] My particular Imp will never turn to ‘poop’ lol. Ya wanna know why? Well I’m gonna tell ya anyways; because I take care of all of my equipment and understand exactly what makes it tick and know how to fix and troubleshoot probs. I suppose we all can’t say that though. You can run any marker into the ground if you try hard enough and abuse it to the point of breakdown. How can a marker with a few parts have millions of problems lol? I think I’m catching on here……….maybe you fibbed a little when you mentioned earlier that you had no bad feelings towards Smart Parts eh? If they were so unreliable and ‘cheap’ as you put it, there wouldn’t be tons of them on fields everywhere. They would be few and far in between which isn’t the case at all –

Right thats what I told myself and I put close to 1,000 into it and guess what it still turned to poop. Just fasce it the Impy is trash and absolute garabage. It would be better to take the alumium and make it into cans. It would be much better use to everyone.  

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