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    Posted: 28 November 2004 at 1:13pm
   Since there has been so many political and news conversations on the forum lately, I thought why not have a friendly discussion.

So here we go,

   For some there is a buzz up here that because Canada didn’t participate in Iraq that somehow Canada has capital that could be spent on the Israeli & Palestine problems.

    Some say we should spend that capital to assist in achieving some sort of resolution in the Middle East;

Others in Canada question the sanity of getting involved in the Middle East at all.

So what do you think, because Canada is not in Iraq, does Canada have any Capital to spend in the Middle East to help tip Israel / Palestine towards a workable resolution, particularly now that Arafat is gone?

(I want to reserve my thoughts for the moment so I don't influence conversation)


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no, i think canada should stay out of it. why do you think so many countries hate the states? because the states believe its there job the fix the world.

i think canada should just stay out of it.

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Canada will never help in a war, thats why alot of people move there.-me
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Originally posted by FROG MAN FROG MAN wrote:

no, i think canada should stay out of it. why do you think so many countries hate the states? because the states believe its there job the fix the world.

i think canada should just stay out of it.


Our job has basicly become fixing the world...  If people are killing eachother for no reason, we should at least try to help...
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Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

Canada will never help in a war, thats why alot of people move there.-me

BS, look at WWII
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So much for the friendly discussion...

I don't think you can solve the conflict in the Middle East by throwing money at it, therefore Canada should keep its money.
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Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

Canada will never help in a war, thats why alot of people move there.-me

canada was helping in WWII before the states

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Originally posted by BARREL BREAK BARREL BREAK wrote:

Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

Canada will never help in a war, thats why alot of people move there.-me

BS, look at WWII
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   Hold up...

-- I wasn't thinking in direct military intervention.

So lets not get into that.

How do you perceive Canada, as in since we are not in Iraq, does that somehow give us influence to spend in the Middle East, particularly Palestine?



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Originally posted by Trogdor2 Trogdor2 wrote:

Originally posted by FROG MAN FROG MAN wrote:

no, i think canada should stay out of it. why do you think so many countries hate the states? because the states believe its there job the fix the world.

i think canada should just stay out of it.


Our job has basicly become fixing the world...  If people are killing eachother for no reason, we should at least try to help...

no its not, what if korea comes and attacks the states and says "were are trying to fix the states corrupt problems, murders, rapes, child pornagraphy, kid napping, we needed to help them"

see thats not anothere countries job to fix, its yours.

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Originally posted by FROG MAN FROG MAN wrote:

Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

Canada will never help in a war, thats why alot of people move there.-me

canada was helping in WWII before the states


Yep.  That's like the only thing I ever agree with you on, but still...  People should stop being stupid and acknowledge those who died for us...
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^^^ OK, now lets stay away from military intervention. That's not what I was getting at guys...
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Hold up...

-- I wasn't thinking in direct military intervention.

So lets not get into that.

How do you perceive Canada, as in since we are not in Iraq, does that somehow give us influence to spend in the Middle East, particularly Palestine?

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Originally posted by Trogdor2 Trogdor2 wrote:

Originally posted by FROG MAN FROG MAN wrote:

Originally posted by pb125 pb125 wrote:

Canada will never help in a war, thats why alot of people move there.-me

canada was helping in WWII before the states


Yep.  That's like the only thing I ever agree with you on, but still...  People should stop being stupid and acknowledge those who died for us...

even though im against most wars, I can still acknowledge americans that die trying to help the world, its really not fair when the media bashes the soldiers when they should be getting mad at the goverment.

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Barret- how do we help w/o military intervention (Which coincidentally hurts)?
If there is a way other than throwing money at it, I havent heard of one that seems to work.
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Originally posted by BARREL BREAK BARREL BREAK wrote:

Barret- how do we help w/o military intervention (Which coincidentally hurts)?
If there is a way other than throwing money at it, I havent heard of one that seems to work.


Well, I am going to leave this thread for a bit for more replies.

After that I (humbly) think I might have some insight to your question.

Eventually I need to run this thru rigorous debate to get the nicks worked out. "sort of speak".

Later;

I may have worded this incorrectly. I should not have used the word Capital. I'll reword it.

How do you perceive Canada, as in since we are not in Iraq, does that somehow give us influence to spend in the Middle East, particularly Palestine?


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kinda like what barrel break was saying, you can either throw money at a problem or use milatry (kinda sad), but by using military your going to throw more money away anyway.

another reason i think canada should stay out of it, we have enough problems in are own country before we should start trying to fix the worlds problems.

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Originally posted by FROG MAN FROG MAN wrote:

Originally posted by Trogdor2 Trogdor2 wrote:

Originally posted by FROG MAN FROG MAN wrote:

no, i think canada should stay out of it. why do you think so many countries the states? because the states believe its there job the fix the world.

i think canada should just stay out of it.


Our job has basicly become fixing the world...  If people are eachother for no reason, we should at least try to help...

no its not, what if korea comes and attacks the states and says "were are trying to fix the states corrupt problems, , s, agraphy, kid napping, we needed to help them"

see thats not anothere countries job to fix, its yours.

That wouldn't be reason enough to invade another country.

 However, if it were instead a government that was oppressive and murdered millions of it's own citizens, then that would be a just reason to go to war, to help that countries citizens.

If our gov't were like that, I would want someone invading our country to protect us from it.



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Originally posted by Bango Bango wrote:


If our gov't were like that, I would want someone invading our country to protect us from it.



Bango, How do you perceive Canada, as in since we are not in Iraq, does that somehow give us influence to spend in the Middle East, particularly Palestine?

I am not taking about direct Canadian military intervention.

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america seems safe if your on its side, but think about it.

why are ppl scared of north korea, the have nukes, there unpredicable, have lots of power, disagree with are way of life.

now did i just describe north korea from an american point of view or did a describe america from a korean point of view????

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I'd stay out, the Middle East is a huge mess, and once you're there, there is no leaving.
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