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    Posted: 04 April 2005 at 9:17am
I have also posted this in the Regs so I could get a better.. more mature.. discussion..

But I think you guys deserve it too.. NO FLAMING... ONLY DISCUSS

Who else besides me are fed up with the world saying "America only wants to take over the world?"

Bill Whittle (ejectejecteject.com) states it perfectly when he says "How many times will we have to do this before our critics are able to discern a pattern? How many provocations and taunts and slander will we have to endure before anti-Americans wake up to the simple truth that brings us home time and time again, which is simply this: For the first time in history, a nation powerful enough to rule the world has simply refused to do so"

Do I have to repeat that? For the first time in history, a nation powerful enough to rule the world has simply refused to do so

We have REFUSED.

We CAN take over the world easily. Not unresisted but still could.

Germany has tried- FAILED
Rome tried- FAILED
England tried- FAILED
France tried- FAILED
Greece tried- FAILED

We don't even THINk about it.

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"Talk to the vaunted “Arab Street” about America. Watch as their eyes glaze over with hatred and loathing and a desire to see us wiped off the face of the earth as criminals and murderers. Then something amazing happens. Time and time again, after expressing their view that there is no higher calling for their sons and daughters than to kill as many Americans as possible, watch what happens when asked if they want to visit the US."

^^ This isn't supposed to mean ALL arabs, it just states a point.

"On a table, place a $100 dollar bill, keys to a nearby Mercedes, a steak and lobster dinner and a US green card, and see which one disappears first."

How true is this.

We as Americans may be the most hated country, but everyone still wants to live here. Whats up with that?

The world hates us because we have what they want... let me repharse that, we have what they CAN'T HAVE. They think we don't deserve what we have because we have only been around for 250 years while they have for 2000!

We have worked hard for what we have. We are the hardest working country on Earth.

Now I will agree with what they say "Americans are arrogant" Its fine to be arrogant if you have a reason to be.. and last I checked.. WE HAVE THE BEST REASON TO BE!

I'd rather be an arrogant American the an imbicle like most of the world is...


Anyway you can read "Empire" at ejectejecteject.com

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 April 2005 at 9:23am
You actually think America could take over the world if we wanted to? That is highly unlikely. Just because we are the most powerful individually does not mean we would succeed.
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I suggest reading the entire essay at the website before you respond... it's entitled Empire


Oh and to tear up your point---

People thought Rome was too weak/small

People thought Greece (Alexander the Great) was too weak/small

they got pretty damn close and we are bigger and more technologically advanced

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There is no logistical way we could ever topple the world. To believe that is to just "rally around the flag" like usual. No, Rome did not conquer the world. They conquered a much less powerful and civilized European continent, but not the whole world. We would not even have enough people to occupy all the surrounding territories, and our military size would be severely lacking when compared to the size of Russia and China together.
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i dont think we could take the world. we hardly have enough men to fight the war as it is, and thats just in some dirtbag country with crash-coursed vagabonds. i agree with the rest of ur point tho, people are all "o screw americans" then when u give them the priveleges of america theyre all over it
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Did Rome have anough people to occupy all their terrorties? No.

It takes fear

Any way off topic

Atleast we are more mature now...


And also.. Did I ever say Rome conqured the world? NO.. I said they TRIED.. failed

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Funny thing. Arab fundamentalists preach and preach and preach in their own countries and call for our destruction, they call for jihad, they call for the blood of americans to be spilt, they have been brainwashed by their leaders to further their own agendas. But when one of them comes over, they go crazy and party HARD. Gambling, drinking, sex, the whole bit, its like college without the schoolwork. A couple of the terrorists from 911 were like this. They loved alcohol and loved sex and what America had to offer. One of them was dismissed and put on the plan that was shot down by two F-16 that took off from DC and intercepted the 757 in pennsylvania.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Clark Kent Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 April 2005 at 10:10am
Read the article.  Complete strawman argument.  Stupid.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 April 2005 at 10:15am

Agreed. Only attacks weakest arguments. Still cannot possibly see where the U.S. is that powerful to take over the world. We don't refuse to take over the world, we can't, we need many other countries like they need us.

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That's not that true...
without our (rather sucky at the moment) economy.. whole world would collapse...

without Japanese economy... barely even hurts us...
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But this is true for every culture. People hate Americans, because we are arrogant, we go to other countries and out behavior is deplorable. Spring break its cancoon for stupid highschool kids getting drunk and throwing up everywhere. An American goes to france, not even bothering to epreciate the fact that they are an ambassador for the US. They dont bottor to observe the basic mores and folkways of the culture. Wich brings me to my next pet peeve. The very term we call ourselves "American" Ask any Canadian, more so people from South America, they think this is very "Self Rightious" and conceited. We are all "America" We live in the Americas. But we arent American the way we use the word.

Its no wonder throughout the world we are labeled as "Ugly Americans" We dont have much culture. When we go to another country we dont bother to try and learn the language, the average "American" doesnt bother to learn about the culture. So what happens is we end up offending every sensibility they have.

They can hate the people, despise the culture, but when you are stared in the face with an oportunity to advance yourself, or on the other end of the spectrum, to party, you are going to take it when you come from a culture that teaches you to do nothing but follow the rules and go with the status quo and dont question religion.
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Originally posted by Bugg Bugg wrote:

That's not that true...
without our (rather sucky at the moment) economy.. whole world would collapse...

without Japanese economy... barely even hurts us...

Yes it is true. We rely heavily on other economies for trade. If Canada was to boycott us, we would be devistated in many areas, same with Japan. We are not the powerhouse that does not need other countries. We are, in fact, a part of the world, intermixing with supply and demand needs like everyone else.

Dib, I agree with much of your post. Intelligent and thought provoking.

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For the "American" view.. I beleive other countries coined the term American.. When asked where we are from most peole I know say "I'm from the US" not "Oh, I'm an American"

And to say we have no culture.. partially true

We made modern music
We made modern art
We made modern culture

We don't have an old culture, but imagine where the world would be without the things WE invented... TV, Planes, Cars, Radio!, PAINTBALL ( ), INTERNET for God sakes, computers... List goes ON AND ON
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Originally posted by Dune Dune wrote:

Originally posted by Bugg Bugg wrote:

That's not that true... without our (rather sucky at the moment) economy.. whole world would collapse... without Japanese economy... barely even hurts us...


Yes it is true. We rely heavily on other economies for trade. If Canada was to boycott us, we would be devistated in many areas, same with Japan. We are not the powerhouse that does not need other countries. We are, in fact, a part of the world, intermixing with supply and demand needs like everyone else.


Dib, I agree with much of your post. Intelligent and thought provoking.

Yet another unproven point

I didn't say we could live without other countries, I'm just saying we don't rely as heavily on them as they do us, without Japan, we still have 250 some other countries

Without our wealth.. what do other countries have? Some might say 250 some other copuntries, not true, how many of those can buy in bulk?
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That's irrelevant. We are not as powerful as some think we are. We are simply a part of the world, not the driving force. Modern culture was not only made by us, but by the rest of the world. We have invented many things that have helped society, but many of those objects were also invented and MADE BETTER by other countries. It is give and take in the world, we are one piece to it.
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Ok, explain how the things INVENTED by us were made better by other countries? I know something vice-versa we didn't invent the light bulb.. but DID make it BETTER...

And hopefully this qoute will shut you up and make you think...
"Many in Europe, especially, have renounced such feelings of nationalism. Nationalism has not played out all too happily in Europe, and so we, who have had nothing but success in this regard, are expected to toe the line and voluntarily scrap our shiny new automobile because the neighbors went and ran theirs over a cliff."
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And one for the Liberals of the forum   

"Breaking News!

Police are at the scene of an urban standoff. Here are the details as they come in:

We can see right away that this is not a good neighborhood. Crime is rampant, and, as in most crime-ridden communities, a lot of nasty stuff goes on every day.

Now it seems that one lunatic – your standard heavily-armed psychopathic loner – last week had gone next door and shot the hell out of the neighbors. Of course, those neighbors were not exactly the Cunninghams or the Waltons, so there was no 911 call…but still.

Anyway, it’s a few hours later and it looks like he’s done it again: now he claims he owns the entire back yard of the people out back. SkyCam 6 is running aerial footage of him kicking down the fence, going into the neighbor's house and shots being fired. The camera work on the ground is shaky as the crews duck for cover, but you can hear the screams from inside. Lots of covered bodies seen coming out and being placed in ambulances.

The police arrive, and now he starts shooting at them; just goddam unloading on them. They shoot back, forcing him back into his house; he is severely wounded. They tell him to disarm and come out with his hands up. He shoots out the windows and keeps taking potshots at the police.

A tense standoff occurs. 13 hours go by, during which time, the neighborhood Roach Coach arrives on the scene. The police allow the man inside to buy food as a gesture of goodwill. The guy in the roach coach sells him a turkey sandwich for $150 and a can of Coke for $75.

As the standoff continues, we can hear him shooting his family inside. The screams are muffled; sounds like he’s got them down in the basement. A few of them manage to make it out the side and back doors; one or two escape. Most are shot in the back. And as the hours grind on, the shots, and the screams, continue. So do the potshots at the police cordon outside.

Finally, the police realize that cannot afford to wait any longer. The negotiations have accomplished nothing except to give the lunatic more time to shoot more of his own family members and presumably reload. The only one arguing to continue negotiations is the guy running the Roach Coach: he’s made more money selling $80 hot dogs and $200 ice cream sandwiches for 13 hours than he has in his entire career.

The police make a final offer: come out with your hands up! The response is yet more potshots. The SWAT team gets into position.

They storm the house! Gunfire! Screaming!

The Crazed Loner runs out the front door, lowers his assault rifle at the police, and is cut down in a hail of bullets.

A liberal arrives on the scene, now that the danger has passed and the area is secured. He walks over to the dead lunatic, removes the gun from his hand, pulls back the bolt on the lever…empty! He removes the magazine. Empty too!

“This man could not have hurt anyone,” he shrieks! “The gun wasn’t loaded! He was murdered in cold blood!”

He turns to the TV audience, grabbing the microphone from the reporter…no, wait. Looking closely, I now see that the reporter has gestured wildly for him to step into frame and he is handing him the microphone, smiling, and making ‘go on’ gestures.

“Did he come into the police chief’s home and try to kill him? He did not!!

The liberal is really getting religion now. He visibly shakes; his eyes bulge and his forehead goes white with rage! “The man who ordered this assault,” he screams, spittle flying in righteous indignation, “knew all along that this gun was empty!!”

“He lied!! He lied and people died!!”

There was a time when a person making a statement as ridiculous as that would be tarred, feathered and ridden out of town on a rail. It would have been good for a laugh for all concerned. In fact, if the social consciences of today had one particle of the wit and genius that Mark Twain had, they might have said, as he did: “if it weren’t for the honor and glory of the thing, I’d just as soon walk.”"

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We may have invented television, but it is the Japanese corporations creating better sets and more complex technology. We may have created vehicles, but subjectively, it is European countries that have produced the most sought after and most high performance vehicles.

That quote does and says nothing. What's good for the goose is not always what's good for the gander. I admire how Europe does not consider nationalism important, it shows diversity.

That story made absolutely no sense. I am upset that I actually wasted my time reading something that horribly stereotypical. You should be ashamed.



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Diversity is good, ignorance is bad... you should know this better than anyone...
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