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    Posted: 17 April 2005 at 8:27am

So whats this now?

She got all the care she needed? She wasnt abused? She wasnt beaten and punched and infected? Her husband didnt do all this?

But people on the internet said he did! Must be a dirty liberal leftist coverup. Stupid liberal media.

 

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Records show no evidence Terri Schiavo was abused, mistreated


BY MAYA BELL

The Orlando Sentinel

ORLANDO, Fla. - (KRT) - In the four years after Michael Schiavo won the right to remove his wife's feeding tube, the state's social welfare agency methodically investigated 89 complaints of abuse, but never found that he or anybody else harmed Terri Schiavo, records released late Friday show.

To the contrary, the state Department of Children & Families repeatedly concluded that Michael Schiavo ensured his wife's physical and medical needs were met, provided proper therapy for her and had no control over her money.

They also found no evidence that he beat or strangled her, as his detractors have repeatedly charged.

The 45 pages of confidential abuse reports made public by court order Friday show that despite the litany of complaints, investigators never found that Terri Schiavo had been abused.

That raises what Michael Schiavo's attorney said is a key question: Why, during her last weeks of life, did DCF twice try to intervene in the seven-year dispute pitting Terri Schiavo's husband against her parents?

"The answer is obvious," said attorney Hamden Baskin III. "From the get-go, this was nothing but a political intervention. There was and continues to be no reason for them to have been involved."

DCF spokeswoman Zoraya Suarez would not address the charges of political interference directly, saying only, "The reports speaks for itself. ... We have a duty to protect the vulnerable and investigate allegations of abuse."

Terri Schiavo died March 31, nearly two weeks after the feeding tube that had kept the badly brain-damaged woman alive for 15 years was removed.

The courts had ruled that she was in a persistent vegetative state and had not wanted to be kept alive artificially. But her parents countered that she responded to them and wanted to live, setting off an international debate over right-to-die issues.

Her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, could not be reached for comment Friday night. They were attending a memorial service for their daughter in Pennsylvania.

The records, which media outlets in Tampa Bay fought to make public, show that DCF took its duty to investigate the alleged abuse of Terri Schiavo seriously.

Eighty-nine times, DCF investigated calls to their hotline alleging abuse that have become familiar fodder on the Internet: Terri Schiavo was dirty and unkempt. She did not receive proper dental care ore rehabilitative therapy. She was kept in isolation. Her husband beat her, and broke her bones. He wanted her dead for her money, or to remarry.

He pumped her full of insulin, hoping to kill her. He often asked, "When will (she) die?" Her lips were cracked and dry.

The names of the complainants were blacked out under Pinellas Circuit Judge George W. Greer's orders.

But DCF investigators looked into the charges and closed them as unfounded with such comments as "the spouse has always been courteous and very compassionate toward his wife" and "all her needs being met."

In at least one case, the caller found the evidence of Terri Schiavo's alleged abuse on the Internet.

In January 2004, a female caller reported that Terri Schiavo had an infection on her stomach, at the site of her feeding tube, that was not being treated. But, when questioned, she said she had no first-hand knowledge of her complaint.

"(She) stated that her information on current infections and lack of treatment was from Yahoo chatline," the report said.

In another instance, Terri Schiavo's parents were the subject of a complaint by a caller who alleged the Schindlers were exploiting their daughter by selling videotapes of her on the Internet for $100. That, too was, ruled unfounded.

DCF first attempted to intervene in the long-running dispute between the Schindlers and Michael Schiavo in late February, when the agency asked Judge Greer to postpone his order authorizing the withdrawal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube on March 18. At the time, the agency said it had received a few days before about 30 new allegations of her abuse or exploitation on its hotline and needed time to investigate them.

Six days after her tube was removed, DCF attempted to step in again, citing an opinion by a doctor on their adult protective services team that Terri Schiavo was minimally conscious, rather than in a persistent vegetative state.

At the time, Michael Schiavo's lawyers argued the investigation was orchestrated to circumvent Greer's order. The judge agreed and twice refused DCF's intervention, saying he had reviewed all of the supposedly new abuse allegations and found them to be baseless.

The records released Friday did not include any of the 30 latest allegations. Those are still under investigation, but Greer has ruled that they are not new, either.

"In the latest round, DCF says he exploited her financially, but - as these records show_they were well aware Michael had no control over the money," Baskin said.

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© 2005, The Orlando Sentinel (Fla.).

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Ugh, im sick of hearing about her.
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Jesus Christ, why don't you come save my life.
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I wonder if FOX will go after the people who made those false reports of abuse.  Will we see this report in the No-Spin Zone? 
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From our own forumers...
 
 
 
 
Originally posted by BlackDeath7 BlackDeath7 wrote:

 


There are many allegations of abuse.  One nurse reported to the hospital and to police (this is fact, don't try to refute me on this one) that Michael Shiavo kicked her out of the room for 20 minutes so he could be alone with Terry.  When the nurse returned, Terry was sweating profusely, crying, and her blood sugar was almost non-existant.  The nurse then looked in the garbage and found an empty bottle of insuline and injection marks under her breast and in her groin area. 
 
 
 
 
 
Originally posted by Knight of Fire Knight of Fire wrote:

theres been a doctor, who uses parts of dead people to sudy, said theres no point keeping her alive, and aparently he struck a deal with the husband... the husband kills his wife and gives her body parts to the doc..... the doc gives the husband a whole lot of benjamins. but a whole lot of other doctors said she has a good chance of recovering and living , its just that the husband is blocking the nurses and her family from trying things to get here to recover like restoring reflexive motor abilitys by placing moist towels into her hands

But thats not all. The Life insurence company of Terry refuses to give the money to the husband untill she has physically died, so the husband has spent all his other ways of getting money and is using this as a way to get as much as he can.


Now heres something else. Aparently theres little chance she suffered a heart attack but rather when she first came into the hospital she was found with broken bones.

 
 
Originally posted by ScarFace22 ScarFace22 wrote:

....she has physical marks of abuse and he would get money. You know what thats called..its called an MO a motive. He has a good enough modtive to want her dead.

 
 
 
 
Originally posted by Knight of Fire Knight of Fire wrote:

The husband wants her dead so he can get rich.
 
 
Originally posted by ScarFace22 ScarFace22 wrote:

 The only person who wants her to die is her husband because hes afraid the police will find out how he abused her and controlled her life like the psycopath he is. He also wants her to die because he'll get 1.3 million dollars.

 
 
 
Originally posted by Knight of Fire Knight of Fire wrote:

also kinda rediculus that terrys own family can't even giver her a drink or some ice cubes.......

 
 
 
Originally posted by Knight of Fire Knight of Fire wrote:

The husband has also refused to allow any kind of treatment that could allow terry to recover from her coma.
 

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Hahaha, look what happens when the words are spoken before thought is made.
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Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

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just let the whole thing die

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I know the real scoop. The husband was a hired killer and she was his target. He money he recieved after she died went to support his crack habit. His next assigment is her parents. They'd better watch out, his high is coming down quickly.

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Illregardless of Micheals intent, the intent of many here and the Judges involved is that her life was defined as not worthy to be continued and she was in the view of many becoming a "burden to society" so Judges in thier infinate wisdom decided that she should die, in a manner that these same Judges have decreed is too "cruel and inhuman" to inflict on the worst convicted criminal sentenced to death.

These Judges bring to mind the decree of 1934, where National Socialist Judges decreed the "value" of "life" and those deemed infirm, and or deemed mentally deficient were a burden to the Greater German Reich and were to be eliminated, and out rolled the death vans. The begining.....

And the sad part is that many here and in the DNC rejoice in Teri's death as a legal milestone,

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Let her die already.


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From our own forumers...





Originally posted by BlackDeath7 BlackDeath7 wrote:

There are many allegations of abuse. One nurse reported to the hospital and to police (this is fact, don't try to refute me on this one) that Michael Shiavo kicked her out of the room for 20 minutes so he could be alone with Terry. When the nurse returned, Terry was sweating profusely, crying, and her blood sugar was almost non-existant. The nurse then looked in the garbage and found an empty bottle of insuline and injection marks under her breast and in her groin area.






Originally posted by Knight of Fire Knight of Fire wrote:

theres been a doctor, who uses parts of dead people to sudy, said theres no point keeping her alive, and aparently he struck a deal with the husband... the husband kills his wife and gives her body parts to the doc..... the doc gives the husband a whole lot of benjamins. but a whole lot of other doctors said she has a good chance of recovering and living , its just that the husband is blocking the nurses and her family from trying things to get here to recover like restoring reflexive motor abilitys by placing moist towels into her hands But thats not all. The Life insurence company of Terry refuses to give the money to the husband untill she has physically died, so the husband has spent all his other ways of getting money and is using this as a way to get as much as he can. Now heres something else. Aparently theres little chance she suffered a heart attack but rather when she first came into the hospital she was found with broken bones.



Originally posted by ScarFace22 ScarFace22 wrote:


....she has physical marks of abuse and he would get money. You know what thats called..its called an MO a motive. He has a good enough modtive to want her dead.






Originally posted by Knight of Fire Knight of Fire wrote:

The husband wants her dead so he can get rich.



Originally posted by ScarFace22 ScarFace22 wrote:


The only person who wants her to die is her husband because hes afraid the police will find out how he abused her and controlled her life like the psycopath he is. He also wants her to die because he'll get 1.3 million dollars.






Originally posted by Knight of Fire Knight of Fire wrote:

also kinda rediculus that terrys own family can't even giver her a drink or some ice cubes.......




Originally posted by Knight of Fire Knight of Fire wrote:

The husband has also refused to allow any kind of treatment that could allow terry to recover from her coma.



More importantly, this was said by people who dont know about the thing. If you arent there to see this with YOUR OWN TWO EYES dont say because you cant know whats really going on.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Illregardless of Micheals intent, the intent of many here and the Judges involved is that her life was defined as not worthy to be continued and she was in the view of many becoming a "burden to society" so Judges in thier infinate wisdom decided that she should die, in a manner that these same Judges have decreed is too "cruel and inhuman" to inflict on the worst convicted criminal sentenced to death.

These Judges bring to mind the decree of 1934, where National Socialist Judges decreed the "value" of "life" and those deemed infirm, and or deemed mentally deficient were a burden to the Greater German Reich and were to be eliminated, and out rolled the death vans. The begining.....

And the sad part is that many here and in the DNC rejoice in Teri's death as a legal milestone,

"Those who do not learn the lessons of history, are destined to repeat the mistakes of the past"

The current Administration is cutting Medicare and brought about tort reform.  The two things that have kept her alive as long as it did.  Sounds like you need to point the Reich finger someplace other than the DNC.

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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Illregardless of Micheals intent, the intent of many here and the Judges involved is that her life was defined as not worthy to be continued and she was in the view of many becoming a "burden to society" so Judges in thier infinate wisdom decided that she should die, in a manner that these same Judges have decreed is too "cruel and inhuman" to inflict on the worst convicted criminal sentenced to death.

These Judges bring to mind the decree of 1934, where National Socialist Judges decreed the "value" of "life" and those deemed infirm, and or deemed mentally deficient were a burden to the Greater German Reich and were to be eliminated, and out rolled the death vans. The begining.....

And the sad part is that many here and in the DNC rejoice in Teri's death as a legal milestone,

"Those who do not learn the lessons of history, are destined to repeat the mistakes of the past"

Your refrence to those who are on Death Row is indeed insignificant, for they are not already on the path to what is a certain death in the sense that Terri was. No matter what proof is brought against those who wanted to keep Terri alive and suffering, they just wont see the side that was more humain than there own.

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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

so Judges in thier infinate wisdom decided that she should die, in a manner that these same Judges have decreed is too "cruel and inhuman" to inflict on the worst convicted criminal sentenced to death.


I wonder if they'd say the same if the criminals were unable to feel pain.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Illregardless of Micheals intent,

I can't stand it.  The word is "regardless".  Many people incorrectly use "irregardless" (which of course would mean "regardful"), but your word is new and exciting.

Quote ...the intent of many here and the Judges involved is that her life was defined as not worthy to be continued and she was in the view of many becoming a "burden to society" so Judges in thier infinate wisdom decided that she should die, in a manner that these same Judges have decreed is too "cruel and inhuman" to inflict on the worst convicted criminal sentenced to death.

Haven't we been over this already, OS?  You went on in a previous thread about t3h evilzorz judges in this case, when in fact the judges did nothing but ENFORCE THE LAW AS WRITTEN.  I pointed that out to you in detail in that thread, but apparantly you forgot.

For somebody who complains about "judicial activism" as you do, I would think you would applaud the judiciary for doing their job correctly here.

What you appear to be upset about is that the judges did NOT engage in "judicial activism" - at least not enough for your taste (or perhaps just the wrong kind).  That, OS, is plain old hypocrisy.


Quote These Judges bring to mind ... blah blah blah...

I thought we would have one OS post without a random irrelevant rant.  I was wrong. 

Quote And the sad part is that many here and in the DNC rejoice in Teri's death as a legal milestone...

One.  Just one.  Please point to ONE SINGLE SOLITARY person, either here or in the DNC, who is honestly "rejoicing in Teri's death."

Quote "Those who do not learn the lessons of history, are destined to repeat the mistakes of the past"

"Those who do not recall threads of the past, are destined to repeat the mistakes of past threads."

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