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    Posted: 09 August 2005 at 7:38pm
Well, it's been 60 years since the bomb was dropped on Nagasaki....

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angry plea for a global ban on nuclear arms.


Nope, won't happen...

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What a great move on our part...

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Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

What a great move on our part...
It ended the war, did it not?

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Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

What a great move on our part...

Agreed. Who needs another, better plan, when you have a new toy to test out on two civillain towns. 


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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

What a great move on our part...
It ended the war, did it not?

No. It was mass genocide.

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Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by Cedric Cedric wrote:

What a great move on our part...
It ended the war, did it not?

No. It was mass genocide.


No it wasn't.

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The world would have lost 1000's more if we hadn't dropped the only 2 atomic bombs in existence....lets not forget the reason we entered the war....the slaughter of Pearl Harbor, when we thought we were at peace with the Japanese.
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Genocide is the attempted wipping out of a race. Still lots of Japanese people. Can someone pull up the definition of genocide? K i did. Genocide is..

The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.

Kosovo was genocide, The nazi war camps were genocide, The masacre of the Tutsis was genocide.

The nuclear bombs were horrible, but they were not genocide.
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"The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group."

It wasn't systematic at all, 2 cities.

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Why the hell did I type genocide...

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Originally posted by CHAOSS CHAOSS wrote:

The world would have lost 1000's more if we hadn't dropped the only 2 atomic bombs in existence....lets not forget the reason we entered the war....the slaughter of Pearl Harbor, when we thought we were at peace with the Japanese.

Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong Wrong.

Who says that another solution couldnt have been reached? Who says that 100000 more soldiers would have died, Our government, that is who. Ever think maybe we dropped the bombs becuase Russia was heading out east, and we didnt want them taking a peice of Japan?

Compare the death toll of Pearl Harbor and Nagasaki + Haroshima...


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Yeh yeh yeh. Why drop a bomb on the folks when you can invade the island and suffer monstrous casualties and an extremely long costley campaign.

     Quit acting like we just shamelessy dropped 2 A-BOMBS on a perfectly innocent unsuspecting japanese civilization. The entire country was ready and willing to fight to the death. They had fortifed the island and there would have been no surrender.

The numbers of casualtys were probably a fraction compared to the number of people who would have died had we invaded the island. We ended the war and most likely lowered the of japanese death toll. And with the little bonus of no US deaths.

I say good call

-Kasey


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Originally posted by Salem Salem wrote:

Yeh yeh yeh. Why drop a bomb on the folks when you can invade the island and suffer monstrous casualties and an extremely long costley campaign.

     Quit acting like we just shamelessy dropped 2 A-BOMBS on a perfectly innocent unsuspecting japanese civilization. The entire country was ready and willing to fight to the death. They had fortifed the island and there would have been no surrender.

The numbers of casualtys were probably a fraction compared to the number of people who would have died had we invaded the island. We ended the war and most likely lowered the of japanese death toll. And with the little bonus of no US deaths.

I say good call

-Kasey

Why drop them on civillian cities? Why not on millitary fortifacations?


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Russia had more than ten times the civilian casualties that Japan had.



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Whale, both cities did have major military functions.

Hiroshima emerged as a major supply and logistics base for the Japanese military.

Nagasaki had a huge military factory area in it as well.

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Originally posted by agentwhale007. agentwhale007. wrote:

Originally posted by Salem Salem wrote:

Yeh yeh yeh. Why drop a bomb on the folks when you can invade the island and suffer monstrous casualties and an extremely long costley campaign.

     Quit acting like we just shamelessy dropped 2 A-BOMBS on a perfectly innocent unsuspecting japanese civilization. The entire country was ready and willing to fight to the death. They had fortifed the island and there would have been no surrender.

The numbers of casualtys were probably a fraction compared to the number of people who would have died had we invaded the island. We ended the war and most likely lowered the of japanese death toll. And with the little bonus of no US deaths.

I say good call

-Kasey

Why drop them on civillian cities? Why not on millitary fortifacations?

Because it might not have ended the war. I think dropping the bombs was a horrible thing but hey, it needed to be done. By destorying Japanese economy and essentially their will to fight, they surrended. Yeah, we could've invaded the Japanese main island, but that might have been your relative that was a casualty. It could've been your relative that was captured and tortured. From the Japanese point of view, it is the opposite. We wiped two cities off the face of the Earth. Sad thing, but what's done is done.

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Originally posted by CHAOSS CHAOSS wrote:

The first 3 paragraphs

http://www.grunt.com/scuttlebutt/corps-stories/ww2/lesson.as p

President Truman's difficult and courageous decision to drop the Atomic Bomb not only saved a million American casualties, it undoubtedly saved 10 million Japanese casualties

 

for those too lazy to link and read


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Originally posted by CHAOSS CHAOSS wrote:

The world would have lost 1000's more if we hadn't dropped the only 2 atomic bombs in existence....lets not forget the reason we entered the war....the slaughter of Pearl Harbor, when we thought we were at peace with the Japanese.
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That's a crap argument too. Blanketing an entire city with the title of military factories is a huge misnomer. Hundreds of thousands of Japanese worked there, living out everyday lives. 

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