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    Posted: 22 October 2005 at 5:02pm

For those “NaySayers” that can't understand why utilizing propane is safe, or how it allows for 50,000 shots on a 16oz tank, take a look at this,

 

The basic reaction as far as I can tell is down toward the bottom:

Here is some things that will help some understand it a little easier.  C3H8(g)= Gaseous Propane, O2(g)= Air, H2O(g)= Gaseous Water, CO2(g)= Gaseous Carbon Dioxide ; (NONE OF THESE COMPOUNDS ARE INHERENTLY DANGEROUS MIND YOU)

Ignition is the catalyst that initiates the break-up of the propane molecule.  This particular type of reaction is known a “Reduction-Oxidization” reaction, or for brevity many go by the term “REDOX Reaction”.  In lay-men's terms a redox reaction is a reaction in which, an atom of a particular substance becomes more negatively charged by gaining electrons from another atom that is losing the same number of electrons.  Thus one atom becomes more positively charged and one atom becomes more negatively charged in the product of the reaction.

In this case the Carbon gains 6 electrons becoming CO2.  Because of the fact that this reaction is utilizing the oxygen in the air around us to expand the propane into CO2 and water (remember the air around us is free) we are able to get exponentially more shots per tank with less stored gas.  Please keep in mind that the propane is NOT exploding, but rather burning quickly, which is evidence of the transfer of electrons and which allows the Propane to become CO2 and water through the breakup of its constituent elements.

 

In normal CO2 or N2 systems, the potential energy is stored as the “pressure” in your bottle.  That is why it takes so much work to fill a bottle.  You receive about the same amount of energy you used to compress the air into the bottle when you use it to fire your gun, but this is inefficient and energy is lost to heat.

 

Additionally, I think that one of the reasons why propane is just as consistent as Nitro is because of the same reason, (ie the absolute ratios shown in the reaction formula below).  When issues such as temperature, expansion of gas, shoot-down, etc are effectively gotten rid of through a new idea such as this consistency is a natural by-product.

 

 

 

1 C3H8(g) + 5 O2(g) ----> 3 CO2(g) + 4 H2O(g) + heat

 

So to explain this reaction formula we say:

 

1Propane Molecule + 5 dioxide molecules react to form 3 Carbon-dioxide molecules + 4 Water molecules + a little heat.  Or you could say for every 16oz of Propane used, (16*3) ounces or 48 Oz of CO2 AND (4*16) ounces or 64oz of gaseous water is produced.  64 ounces plus 48 ounces is a heck of a lot more then just the 16 ounces we started out with. Looking at it this way it is easy to recognize that the reaction is hardly dangerous.



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But of course! It's so simple!
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c-3 thread #15. literally. unless i missed one.
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again, chewp?!
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Originally posted by M98Ranger M98Ranger wrote:

1 C3H8(g) + 5 O2(g) ----> 3 CO2(g) + 4 H2O(g) + heat

So to explain this reaction formula we say:

1Propane Molecule + 5 dioxide molecules react to form 3 Carbon-dioxide molecules + 4 Water molecules + a little heat.  Hardly dangerous.

o it is all clear now

 

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is it really that difficult to understand?
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Originally posted by M98Ranger M98Ranger wrote:

is it really that difficult to understand?

Translation:  I get off on posting chemistry details that most people won't understand, and those that do understand don't need to hear, for reasons known only to me.

Seriously.  Who did you think you were helping with this thread?  This is useless info, and you know it.

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This reminds me of my chem quiz I bombed the other day...

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Ha. if you don't like it then don't read it.  If you can't understand it don't go hating.  My little 15 year old brother understood it fine when I talked to him over the phone.  Who did I think I was helping with this thread?  ...Who are you?  dorky little kid.  Ha. THis must be your thread eh?  Oh my bad sweetie, I will try not to make you cry in the future.

And USELESS infor?  I suppose it depends if you have enough brains to use it.  And I think we both know the answer to that now don't we.

PS the reason I like to post information like this is because I am a mechanical engineer major and so this stuff interests me and I noticed that a lot of you kids were confused about propane and whether or not it is dangerous.



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Who/what I am is not important.

Let me break it down further.  There are two categories of people on this forum:

1.  People who will not understand your post, for lack of basic chemistry knowledge.

2.  People who will understand your post, because they do have basic chemistry knowledge.

Your post is obviously useless to group 1.  It is also useless to group 2, however, because (as you point out) it really is rather simple.

So you are posting info that most people here won't understand at all, and those few that do understand it won't care, because it is rather obvious, and you aren't telling them anything they didn't already know.

I appreciate your desire to discuss chemistry due to your own interest in the subject.  But let's be honest - the only person benefiting from this thread is you.

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I didnt bother to read the post because I dont care but with some modding is it possible to make a flame thrower?

Maybe the paintball flame thrower isnt such a bad idea after all.

I was thinking of getting a paintsprayer and generator to make my flame thrower...

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Thanks for your "honest" OPINION.  However I don't agree that a person has to have an understanding of chemistry to understand and have an appreciation for the ingenuitive way that somebody came up with the idea to utilize the air around us to propel paintball guns.

 

And before you ask me why I didn't just say that in the first place, it is because if I was to put only that without any explanation people would be right in telling me that it sounds like I am filling them full of smoke.  Also, my brother has never taken physics or chemistry.  I think you and I oughta just agree to disagree and if you don't like it then don't read it.  Otherwise take it for what its worth and go on with your life.  But don't patronize me (or whatever you call that).

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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

I didnt bother to read the post because I dont care but with some modding is it possible to make a flame thrower?

Maybe the paintball flame thrower isnt such a bad idea after all.

I was thinking of getting a paintsprayer and generator to make my flame thrower...

Probably not, because you would need a constant source for a flame thrower.  Hehe...but that is kind of funny to think of somebody torching guys out of a bunker in a woodsball game.....or kind to think of it even in an x-ball game.



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Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

This reminds me of my chem quiz I bombed the other day...
I took a Chem test the other day, and seeing as how I didn't know how to do any of it im sure I bombed it as well..
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if i read it right, your chemical equation only states the product of applying heat to propane. i didnt read the whole thing, so you know. basically, you said the "exhaust" of the propane piston is harmless, but this is not what the forumers are concerned about. forumers are worried about a stray spark ignighting the whole tank, shooting flames out of the barrel, and the stinky identifier in propane. the equation you posted helps no one. sadly.

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