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Responding to the shooting of the man shot by an air marshall this evening

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Dec-07-05 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #66
92. So they shot a crazy person who was freaking out....
AGAIN!
I am **** sick of this. I hate our government. I HATE WHAT AMERIKA HAS BECOME. I miss the old USA, where people have rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. WHERE PEOPLE ARENT SHOT IN COLD BLOOD EVEN THO THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY CRAZY!!!
THE KILLED AN AUTISTIC MAN IN MY HOME TOWN JUST LAST WEEK. Crime: freaking out! They Tasared him to death. Mother of God in Heaven... CURSE THEM!
CURSE THEM!
CURSE THEM!!!

Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness still exist, I'm pretty sure theres no rights to claiming you have non-existant bombs on an airplane


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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-07-05 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #69
91. That is why you investigate to see if it is a threat.
You don't shoot people for yelling things in airports, unless you want to stand trial for murder.

I claim to have a bomb, I'm running frantically saying I have a bomb in my bag, and I reach into that bag, you should stop and investigate what I really have in that bag before you kill me

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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-07-05 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #72
82. They could have shot him in the legs.

A man frantically yelling that he has a bomb, he's obviously not right in the head, but lets go ahead and slightly wound his leg, then we'll investigate

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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts)Wed Dec-07-05 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #146
170. I am too mostly,but could they have used less than deadly force?
Or rechecked the scanning images and assess the 'likelihood' of this 'bomb'? They need to plan for kookoos happening MORE OFTEN than real terrorists...Just saying...
Why we always have to side on overkill for =everything= now?

Yes, lets stop, collaborate and listen, check the scanning images, who knows if they can even do that, let alone do that in a split second time between when the man reached into his bag and the decision to fire was made

Of course there was valid opinions from what I read, but I found these to be quite humorous. I think the democrats have enabled a time stopping device.

Fire in a crowded theater.

^^ I agree, you have to look at what these men have put upon their shoulders.  They are tasked with the job of preventing another 3,000 dead because of a terrorist(s) on a plane.  That means responding to every threat with an appropriate amount of force, even to empty threats.




DEVILS ADVOCATE: what if a bomb had been attached to the man's pulse for the sole purpose of making him too important to kill, therefore the officer's shot would have detonated the bomb....would the blame fall on the marshall?

NotDaveEllis wrote: Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts)Wed Dec-07-05 04:47 PM Response to Reply #146 170. Yes, lets stop, collaborate and listen, check the scanning images, who knows if they can even do that, let alone do that in a split second time between when the man reached into his bag and the decision to fire was made .

Tae Kwon Do wrote: NotDaveEllis wrote: Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts)Wed Dec-07-05 04:47 PM Response to Reply #146 170. Yes, lets stop, collaborate and listen, check the scanning images, who knows if they can even do that, let alone do that in a split second time between when the man reached into his bag and the decision to fire was made .

I picked up on this as well.

Tae Kwon Do wrote: NotDaveEllis wrote: Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts)Wed Dec-07-05 04:47 PM Response to Reply #146 170. Yes, lets stop, collaborate and listen, check the scanning images, who knows if they can even do that, let alone do that in a split second time between when the man reached into his bag and the decision to fire was made .

lol

the correct desision was made in my opinion. if the wife wants to blame anyone she needs to blame her self, for not checking if her bipolar husband took his meds.

reifidom wrote: The general public seems to take a Hollywood perspective on an officer's ability to shoot under various conditions and ranges. Hitting a frantic man in the leg is much more difficult than hitting that same man in the torso. It's easy to say how they should have fired after the fact, but I'd imagine you have to take the sure shot when the cards are down and lives are on the line.

You mean it's not EASY to hit a frantic RUNNING man in the legs? C'mon. It has to be easy. Bruce Willis does it all the time!

I see it as a crazy man, claiming to have a bomb in his bag, refusing to comply with law enforcement, acting erratically, running... and then reaches in said bag?
After the fact it's easy to go over options.
At that very moment and time... and in the world we live in today... do you really take the chance that he's reaching for a twinkie or pack of tic-tacs?
No.
No you don't.

Moral of the story: don't claim you have a bomb. If you want to run and scream frantically while flailing your arms... just claim that you have herpes, or leprecy. People will get out of your way and leave you alone.
Bomb will get you shot, every day of the week.

The possible consequences of not taking action far outweight any other scenario. And if it's proven otherwise, then the next TRUE terrorist simply has to flail his arms with a woman yelling behind him to successfully carry out an attack... because he no longer represents a threat, he simply represents a bipolar guy off his meds.

reifidom wrote: The general public seems to take a Hollywood perspective on an officer's ability to shoot under various conditions and ranges. Hitting a frantic man in the leg is much more difficult than hitting that same man in the torso. It's easy to say how they should have fired after the fact, but I'd imagine you have to take the sure shot when the cards are down and lives are on the line. And I just LOVE IT when people like this have bipolar suggested in the news as the cause of their actions. Whether or not it's true it just makes my life so much easier. Maybe now people will be scared of me for a few days.

To my understanding they shot him in the head as trained.

I'm confused as to why this is a debate. Picture you and your family were there and then tell me about how they should have taken half an hour deciding what to do and checking him out. This is a prevention problem. He should never have been allowed there in the first place.  Once he was and did that, it's all over.