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    Posted: 23 February 2006 at 8:01pm
What is the difference between CO2 and Compressed Air? Is one better?
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Air is more consistent,not affected by temperature changes, has no weight, won't freeze your orings.   Blah blah blah.  Air is just better all around.  
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Read this. Theres a lot of good info in that article. And HPA (N2)>Co2.
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thats a great editorial...very informative.
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HPA>Co2
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The only thing CO2 has over N2 is number of shots, provided if the tanks were the same size. 
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Now read THIS:
http://www.thingpaintball.ca/co2Use.shtml

You should here the side of CO2 as well.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hybrid-sniper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2006 at 11:55pm
Originally posted by the_skdster the_skdster wrote:

Now read THIS:
http://www.thingpaintball.ca/co2Use.shtml

You should here the side of CO2 as well.

I'm sorry, but a lot of that info is just plain warped.

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Originally posted by hybrid-sniper hybrid-sniper wrote:

Originally posted by the_skdster the_skdster wrote:

Now read THIS:
http://www.thingpaintball.ca/co2Use.shtml

You should here the side of CO2 as well.

I'm sorry, but a lot of that info is just plain warped.


Well. I'm just helping defend poor old CO2.
And what part of it is "warped"?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hybrid-sniper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2006 at 1:23am
Originally posted by the_skdster the_skdster wrote:

Originally posted by hybrid-sniper hybrid-sniper wrote:

Originally posted by the_skdster the_skdster wrote:

Now read THIS:
http://www.thingpaintball.ca/co2Use.shtml

You should here the side of CO2 as well.

I'm sorry, but a lot of that info is just plain warped.


Well. I'm just helping defend poor old CO2.
And what part of it is "warped"?

For starters, since whe are C02 tanks cost fifty bucks? Since when do C02 tanks always get more shots than HPA systems? Since when do good HPA taks start at 300 bucks?

And that was just in the first half.



Edited by hybrid-sniper - 24 February 2006 at 1:23am
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wtf just use what u want to use thats what i say

i held down a trger of a full auto on co2 for to min but did not freeze the gun up at all it was very cold after words

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SuzukiRider987 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2006 at 3:44pm
Originally posted by hybrid-sniper hybrid-sniper wrote:

Originally posted by the_skdster the_skdster wrote:

Originally posted by hybrid-sniper hybrid-sniper wrote:

Originally posted by the_skdster the_skdster wrote:

Now read THIS:
http://www.thingpaintball.ca/co2Use.shtml

You should here the side of CO2 as well.

I'm sorry, but a lot of that info is just plain warped.


Well. I'm just helping defend poor old CO2.
And what part of it is "warped"?

For starters, since whe are C02 tanks cost fifty bucks? Since when do C02 tanks always get more shots than HPA systems? Since when do good HPA taks start at 300 bucks?

And that was just in the first half.

Face it, CO2 sucks. I mean, for the cost of making your gun the best it can be with CO2, you'd already be well on youw way to buying a nice HPA tank. And as Hybrid stated, that article sucks also.

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First off, the prices quoted in the CO2 article are way off probably because that article is a couple of years old. My only main problem with the article is that he says that a 68/3000 tank will not get you as many shots as a 12oz CO2. That is bull. Going by the common rule of thumb, a 68/3000 will get you 680 shots. I have been using a 12oz Co2, with anti-siphon and a Palmers Stab for a couple years now. I have never gotten 700 shots from it. At best I would say 600, but I doubt it is quite that high.

Now I've used CO2 for some time, and last year I played at a field that just loans out HPA tanks when you pay for all day air. Using HPA, I noticed no better performance from my gun than it does on CO2. This is probably because I've put so many CO2 enhancing parts into it. However, soon I plan to go LP, and I will be getting a HPA tank for that. I also would have gotten HPA if I had a full auto kit.

Suzuki, I don't consider my CO2 upgrades to be money wasted. My anti-siphon was $4 worth of fittings and copper tube, and I enjoyed installing it myself (my idea of fun is taking apart and fixing things). My Palmers will go with my LPK when it arrives. So I don't feel that I wasted any money; on the contrary, I made an efficient, consistent marker, and enjoyed it for a couple of extra years before I felt it was necessary to put out the $200 for a decent HPA system.

And Pbhalo, you may not have done any immediate damage, but prolonged use at high rates of fire on CO2, game after game, WILL wear out your seals and o-rings faster. Also, HPA has a major advantage (besides gas quality and temperature variation) in that all HPA tanks are regulated, so your velocity and accuracy will always be consistent. Unregulated CO2, however, can imput upwards of 1000psi into your marker when full, and will work its way to 0 when empty. That means that you fill your tank, walk to the chrono, set your velocity, and start playing. After a couple hundred shots your velocity is going to drop off dramatically, as the pressure in your tank lowers. The only way to avoid this is to mount a reg on your gun. BTW, you should take about 15 seconds extra and put a few more letters and punctuation in your posts. It is easier to convince people of your point if they can understand what you are writing.

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Now, if you asked Glenn Palmer he would obviously support co2. His reasoning is that you can set it up to be as consistant as co2. Double regging, throwing an x-chamber in there, using an anti-siphon or remote line, etc. However, to set co2 up like this would cost over $200. For that you could get a nice 4500psi air tank.

If you don't spend all that money making a co2 friendly setup, you won't be able to shoot fast without getting terrible drop off, wearing down your internals really fast, or even jamming. I got a peice of solid co2 lodged in my valve once because I was shooting so fast. This was with my 98c. I was probably only pulling around 10-12bps. Even at that speed, the co2 couldn't expand fast enough.
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