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SuperXero 
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I've been taking a world religions course which has sort of reminded me of my Catholic roots, and I've been looking more closely at Christian topics of debate, such as the rights of homosexual marriage.
I'm talking from a strictly Christian point of view; Is homosexuality a damnable offence? I am not in any way arguing against **edited** rights, but rather what the bible says about this. For example, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, seems to blatantly state that God will punish homosexuals, but my WR teacher has pointed out that some Christian groups are arguing the contrary. I am more or less asking to hear the contrary argument. Edited by SuperXero - 06 June 2006 at 11:59pm |
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Posted: 06 June 2006 at 11:54pm |
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WEll, I'm going to say something blindly, as I've never read the bible.
Weren't Sodom And Gomorrah punished for their excesses and lack of godfulness? |
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 12:00am |
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One has to wonder why God created Adam first to run around in the Garden of Eden naked long before he became bored and created Eden.
I would think most heterosexual men would rather have a woman to gaze from the heaven upon long before throwing a male into the mix. |
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 12:02am |
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This is also the same "God" who said to kill girls who whernt heard yelling for help when being raped... And the guy, who made a commandment not to kill people and yet he wiped out cities with storms of fire and flooded the planet... I got more... |
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 12:03am |
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Lets not forget not honoring your parents gives them the right to take you high into the mountains and dash you upon the rocks.
I also recall being born the first born son good enough reason for God to commit mass genocide against them. |
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 12:15am |
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Are you talking about having homosexual orientations? or having a homosexual relationship?
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 3:29am |
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everyone is off topic to what was asked.
everyone here is talking about the old testament. the bible says that if you ask for forgiveness for your sins and accept the free gift of eternal life by believing that Jesus was the son of God and died on the cross for our sins and rose again from the dead you will be saved. so i say no, it is not a damnable sin. but i would also say that according to the bible you couldn't die a homosexual and go to heaven because you would have been living in sin. you would have to ask for forgiveness and accept christ. |
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 4:41am |
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 5:12am |
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Dudes, the Bible is legit. All you who think to live your life in a conflicting way are asking for trouble. Por ejemplo:
2 Kings Chapter 2: So the water has been wholesome to this day, according to the word which Eli'sha spoke. 23 He went up from there to Bethel; and while he was going up on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him, saying, "Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!" 24 And he turned around, and when he saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. And two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the boys. Moral of the story: Don't call old men bald or God may send she-bears from the woods to maul you and 41 of your closest friends. |
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 9:53am |
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Hahahaahhahaha.
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 10:36am |
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To be legitimately on-topic SuperXero, and not just Jesus bashing, you need to get out of the old testemant and into the new testament. I'm pretty sure that under the new covenant, there is no such thing as a truly "damnable offense" other than harming children. Everything is forgivable as long as the repenting is genuine. The kicker is "Go, and Sin no more." You have to actively turn from your sin and do your honest best to love god more than your life and to love everyone as you love yourself.
As far as homosexuality is concerned I don't remember any New Testament text that explicitly says its wrong. I remember a few things about "fornicators" and "Perverts" that might apply, depending on who you ask. Jesus never spoke against it, but I'm not so sure about the Apostiles. Someone more versed than I am in "The Letters To..." will have to weigh in on that. |
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 10:56am |
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My pastor has said to not take everything the bible says literally, becuase in certain sections (forget which ones she said) it says slavery is fine, or atleast doesnt condemn it.
But other pastors will say the oppisite. To each their own. |
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 11:08am |
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I'm thinking he was talking about some things in the old testament, Linus. Specifically a couple of Proverbs that dealt with the slave/master relationships of the day.
Again, I personally believe that people should seek out what Jesus said, and did, first, followed by the apostles guidance taken with the knowledge that they were trying to keep a small, but rapidly spreading, cult alive, and as true to its course as they could. Rely on Jesus's words and actions more than anything, please. |
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 1:03pm |
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Dazed pretty much has it. As I understand there are no "damnable" sins so long as you do genuinly repent and strive to live a Christ-like life.
You generally want to stick with the New Testament. I"m 95% sure there are verses in the New Testament that do clearly say homosexuality is wrong, but I can't think of them off the top of my head. If I do come across them I'll be sure to post. Ps: sneaky, you don't know what your talking about. |
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 8:51pm |
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the bible also says that someone who cannot see should be killed too. So are all blind people damned too? |
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 9:00pm |
And there you have it. The Bible, read slowly, does provide some support for an argument that god is against homosexuality, but not nearly as much as some people claim. The "anti-homo" verses are quite vague compared to many other verses. Yet it is the homo-verse that gets all the attention, both OT and NT. Many christians of strong faith conclude that homosexuality is a very serious sin, based on relatively vague scripture, yet casually ignore some very clear and specific rules. So - is homosexuality a damnable sin? You better hope not, because if homosexuality is that serious, then so are many other sins that most people commit on a regular basis. |
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 9:05pm |
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im a christian and i say homesexuality is 100% wrong. Its just disgusting if you think about it. And alot of the Old testements laws and stuff still stand today. You shall not murder. Part of the ten commandments. Honor your father and mother. Also part of them. Just because its in the old testement doesnt mean that it doesnt apply today, because it does. God created man and women, God didnt intend for two men or two women. But because of our sinful nature (us humans) we end up screwing this world over a million times over. The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ. Sooo, ya homosexuality is wrong, from my point of view.
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 9:08pm |
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Care to lay some scripture on me?
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Linus
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 9:13pm |
Where, exactly. Only reference I know of about a blind person is one that Jesus heals. |
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Posted: 07 June 2006 at 9:19pm |
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I didn't find anything exactly on point, Linus, but I do know this little tidbit about blindness: Lev 21:18 and Lev 22:22 (I <3 Leviticus)
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