Whats the point?

Booo illegal wiretapping.

Hooray civil rights!


Edited by Tae Kwon Do - 13 September 2006 at 8:30pm

Monk wrote: Meh, tap away, I got nothing to hide. Plus whats the odd they would tap Joe Shmo like me.

Worst. Argument. Ever.

What do you mean "after an attack"?
There have already been attacks, so if it passes can they just wire-tap now, and any time in the future?

Hmmm maybe they think they wont blow anything up cuz even tho they'll probly be dead, they might have their phone tapped...

rossy11223 wrote: Monk wrote: Meh, tap away, I got nothing to hide. Plus whats the odd they would tap Joe Shmo like me. I agree. I will surrender a few of my rights for my own safety.

And you'll also sacrifice the rights of your fellow citizens. Disappointingly cowardly, and unfortunately typical of a vast part of society.

Long as im alive ima live illegal.

History Lesson:

1956 - FBI Launches Counter Intelligence Programs (COINTELPRO). COINTELPRO is the acronym for a series of covert action programs designed to expose, neutralize, disrupt and discredit domestic dissidents and political groups. Originally designed to undermine the Communist Party in the United States, COINTELPRO activities quickly expanded to include the Ku Klux Klan, anti-Vietnam war demonstrators and campus protesters, civil rights activists, the "New Left" and other domestic groups. COINTELPRO techniques, which were adopted from wartime counterintelligence operations, went beyond the collection of intelligence to undercover activities that were designed to disrupt and create dissension within the targeted groups. Wiretapping, break-ins, bugging of homes and offices, and the use of informants were just some of the techniques employed.

1918 - The Sedition Act, a further refinement of the Espionage Act, was passed. This wide-ranging law made it illegal to criticize the government or hamper the war effort in almost any manner. Thus many labor activists, dissidents and radicals became the targets of government prosecutors. To be a member of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) union put one at the risk of deportation. Anyone found violating these acts could be fined up to $10,000 and/or sentenced up to twenty years in jail. Rose Pastor Stokes, Eugene V. Debs, Victor Berger and Emma Goldman were notable individuals that were arrested and charged under these laws.

1861 - Lincoln, claiming the right under presidential war powers, suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus for those accused of "disloyal activities." Many suspected Confederate sympathizers were arrested and held without formal charges. The writ of Habeas Corpus, an important civil liberties safeguard and cornerstone of English common law, requires the government to provide to a court the reasons why a prisoner is being held.

Just an FYI- The above were just the beginnings of the current program. Many of these acts there are many pre-Bush intelligence and survailence acts and presidential orders that are still law and are the basis of the new programs.

"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither".

-Benny boy Franklin

oldsoldier wrote: History Lesson: 1956 - FBI Launches Counter Intelligence Programs (COINTELPRO). COINTELPRO is the acronym for a series of covert action programs designed to expose, neutralize, disrupt and discredit domestic dissidents and political groups. Originally designed to undermine the Communist Party in the United States, COINTELPRO activities quickly expanded to include the Ku Klux Klan, anti-Vietnam war demonstrators and campus protesters, civil rights activists, the "New Left" and other domestic groups. COINTELPRO techniques, which were adopted from wartime counterintelligence operations, went beyond the collection of intelligence to undercover activities that were designed to disrupt and create dissension within the targeted groups. Wiretapping, break-ins, bugging of homes and offices, and the use of informants were just some of the techniques employed. 1918 - The Sedition Act, a further refinement of the Espionage Act, was passed. This wide-ranging law made it illegal to criticize the government or hamper the war effort in almost any manner. Thus many labor activists, dissidents and radicals became the targets of government prosecutors. To be a member of the Industrial Workers of the World (IWW) union put one at the risk of deportation. Anyone found violating these acts could be fined up to $10,000 and/or sentenced up to twenty years in jail. Rose Pastor Stokes, Eugene V. Debs, Victor Berger and Emma Goldman were notable individuals that were arrested and charged under these laws. 1861 - Lincoln, claiming the right under presidential war powers, suspended the writ of Habeas Corpus for those accused of "disloyal activities." Many suspected Confederate sympathizers were arrested and held without formal charges. The writ of Habeas Corpus, an important civil liberties safeguard and cornerstone of English common law, requires the government to provide to a court the reasons why a prisoner is being held. Just an FYI- The above were just the beginnings of the current program. Many of these acts there are many pre-Bush intelligence and survailence acts and presidential orders that are still law and are the basis of the new programs.

Yup, I'm informed enough to know it's not just the Bush administration, but, I disapprove of all those acts.

COINTELPRO is one of the worst operations the FBI has ever put into action.

Tae Kwon Do wrote: Monk wrote: Meh, tap away, I got nothing to hide. Plus whats the odd they would tap Joe Shmo like me. Least. American. Argument. Ever.

Fixed