R\T System not working!@!!!

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I just finished installing the QEV, 1\8 hoses (SUPER R\T) and X-Core... I can't get the R\T To sweetspot or anything.. the rod shoots out, but dosen't bounce my finger at all anymore..help!!! I even tried turning the flow control all the way down (so that I couldn't pull it) and I still could..

Edited by Tippmania - 23 September 2006 at 4:42pm

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Tippmania Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member No, IM right! Joined: 13 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tippmania Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: R\T System not working!@!!! Posted: 23 September 2006 at 4:25pm
	I just finished installing the QEV, 1\8 hoses (SUPER R\T) and X-Core... I can't get the R\T To sweetspot or anything.. the rod shoots out, but dosen't bounce my finger at all anymore..help!!! I even tried turning the flow control all the way down (so that I couldn't pull it) and I still could.. Edited by Tippmania - 23 September 2006 at 4:42pm
	Tippmann A-5 - Shocktech Drop + On\Off - Super R\T - Q.E.V. - Red Hot Powertube - Stock - Flatline + Metadyne Shroud - R.I.S. Foregrip - X-Core - Macro - BT Fixed Sight Rail

Jawa_Nz Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 28 June 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 210	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jawa_Nz Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 September 2006 at 2:44am
	Maybe the air is going back the other way into the cyclone that has vented its gas out the QEV. If all pressure is equal (which I think it should be) then if the cyclone vents, then wouldnt that lower the pressure in the R/t too? I don't have a big knowledge of the superRT mod, nor much else for that matter I wouldn't mind knowing the answer to this as well. Been thinking of doing this mod myself, just havent researched it in depth much yet.
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Tippmania Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member No, IM right! Joined: 13 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tippmania Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 September 2006 at 3:05am
	Hm.. you know that actually makes sense.. normally without a QEV the air that cycles the Cyclone is pushed back through the line..... but then again, the R\T and Cyclone are each getting the same amount of air at the same time When you fire air goes through BOTH lines...but still, that does make sense...If that is true... then I am very, very pissed. Super R\T mod is simple.. the stock hoses are 1\16th, you replace them and the fittings to fit 1\8th hoses on (bigger hoses) for more flow. Edited by Tippmania - 24 September 2006 at 3:06am
	Tippmann A-5 - Shocktech Drop + On\Off - Super R\T - Q.E.V. - Red Hot Powertube - Stock - Flatline + Metadyne Shroud - R.I.S. Foregrip - X-Core - Macro - BT Fixed Sight Rail

pattison Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 30 August 2002 Location: Korea, North Status: Offline Points: 384	Post Options Post Reply Quote pattison Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 September 2006 at 5:45am
	when you crank the flow control valve all the way down/clockwise can you push the cylinder back in if you extend it manually? if so, you have a leak between the f/c valve and the cylinder.
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Tippmania Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member No, IM right! Joined: 13 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tippmania Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 September 2006 at 1:31pm
	Yeah.. but I'm wondering if it's just not getting enough air... because I just noticed my cyclone isn't cycling properly either.. Yes there is NO pull on the R\T
	Tippmann A-5 - Shocktech Drop + On\Off - Super R\T - Q.E.V. - Red Hot Powertube - Stock - Flatline + Metadyne Shroud - R.I.S. Foregrip - X-Core - Macro - BT Fixed Sight Rail

Mack Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Has no impulse! control Joined: 13 January 2004 Location: 2nd Circle Status: Offline Points: 9906	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mack Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 September 2006 at 2:23pm
	If you can, try a stronger mainspring/RVA cranked to max velocity, then restrict the air flow with the stock velocity adjuster. Theoretically, this would cause a larger release of air which would exit down the barrel at a slower rate creating a back pressure which would feed more air to the cyclone and r/t. If this fixes the problem, then you know it was an airflow issue. (This will decrease air efficiency however.)


Tippmania Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member No, IM right! Joined: 13 September 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 9	Post Options Post Reply Quote Tippmania Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 September 2006 at 3:46pm
	My drive spring is so hard that I only get 600 shots buddy.. I can't get any less air efficiency :-P So wait, the main velocity scew can make the R\T not work if not "set" right?
	Tippmann A-5 - Shocktech Drop + On\Off - Super R\T - Q.E.V. - Red Hot Powertube - Stock - Flatline + Metadyne Shroud - R.I.S. Foregrip - X-Core - Macro - BT Fixed Sight Rail

Mack Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Moderator Group Has no impulse! control Joined: 13 January 2004 Location: 2nd Circle Status: Offline Points: 9906	Post Options Post Reply Quote Mack Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 September 2006 at 9:09pm
	^^^ Not exactly. Consider this. You increased the size of the feed hoses to your cyclone and r/t However, unless I missed something, you are still using the stock drive spring This means that the hammer is still hitting the valve just as hard as it did before and releasing the same amount of gas it did before So you now have the same amount of propellant passing through larger hoses This decreases the pressure of the propellant You need more gas to take advantage of those larger hoses The only way to get the valve to release more gas is for the valve to stay open longer That is accomplished by either more force behind the hammer (RVA or spring upgrade) or less force holding the valve closed (valve spring modification) The stock velocity adjuster does not affect the volume of air released, it just affect the release rate If you release more air and restrict the flow with the adjuster it creates more pressure for the air powered accessories to use I could be way off base here, but there are two fairly easy ways to test if this is your problem. Crank the adjuster all the way in and fire some rounds to test if the cyclone and r/t then operate correctly Put the original hoses back on and fire some rounds to see what happens (That is what I would do. I make it a point to never install more than one upgrade at a time without testing the effect it has on my marker. That way if something quits working I have a pretty good idea of what is causing the problem.)


TIPPY98ACT Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 23 August 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 332	Post Options Post Reply Quote TIPPY98ACT Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 September 2006 at 11:34pm
	Dude all these upgrades you have bought are starting to conflict with each other. Don't go like all 7th grade on me, but how much does your A5 weigh, like 50lbs? I have been reading your post's for like 2 month's. It seems like you have a good knowledge of paintball. Upgardes that is. But you have said that you don't play that much and you take your gun to a pro shop to fix or upgrade? Get to know you marker in stock form (inside and out) before you think you are gonna make it better with every upgrade they make! Who are you trying to impress! Us or you. Like I said before, you can only go so far before you start messing up what the engineers( who's job it is to make the most out of a product) messed up! Think back to when your gun worked best dude. What did you have on it? I'm gonna guess not half the suff you do now. Edited by TIPPY98ACT - 25 September 2006 at 12:01am