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    Posted: 10 November 2006 at 11:39am
My cousins' tippy has an internal air leak somewhere but im having trouble tracking it.  I think it may be in the powerfeed but how would I check since the gun has to be together to put co2 to it?
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Originally posted by stunter stunter wrote:

My cousins' tippy has an internal air leak somewhere but im having trouble tracking it.  I think it may be in the powerfeed but how would I check since the gun has to be together to put co2 to it?

Powerfeed??? Where did you get that part name? Do you have some electrically or CO2 powered conveyor belt on the hopper? Powerfeed!!! Wow. Guess it must be CO2 actuated or it couldn't be leaking, right?

Internal leak? It is leaking now after he did what to it? He didn't do anything and now it leaks? Does it leak when cocked or when un-cocked? Have you made the simple effort to actually look at the schematic diagram of the internal parts? Have you even thought about doing a search in the forums? I know, you think this is the first 98C that has ever had a leak, so there could not possibly be an answer found in the forums!!! I know that doing a search is high tech, so may I suggest you, AT LEAST,  READ THE STICKIES!!! Heck, you might even read the manual!!!



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First off, I have worked on alot of guns and this is the 3 98c in our group.  Ive had mine for 4 years and never a single problem.  Second Im a network admin and I look at forums all day long and know how to do search.  I also looked at the diagram and meant to say powertube but misstyped.  Its smartass guys like you that make it hard for anyone to get a direct answer cuz you assume to damn much instead of asking and treat everyone like there inferior.  Hey everyone hasnt had this gun or that gun as long as you but if you dont want to help then keep your trap shut and let someone else post something constructive.
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Originally posted by stunter stunter wrote:

Its smartass guys like you that make it hard for anyone to get a direct answer cuz you assume to damn much instead of asking and treat everyone like there inferior.  Hey everyone hasnt had this gun or that gun as long as you but if you dont want to help then keep your trap shut and let someone else post something constructive.


Actually that should apply to you, and you shouldn't talk to him like that as he knows much more than you will probly ever know.  As for posting something constructive, why don't you do that so bruce can help you.  Answer his question so he can answer yours.  end of story.


Edited by FA22RaptorF22 - 10 November 2006 at 1:31pm
Please sign up at http://www.tippmannowners.com/ and leave the referrer as me (FA22RaptorF22)and you will be my hero.
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Even with all that the only reason a powertube should leak is if it has a crack around the valve. Which is very VERY rare. EDIT: scratch that, the powertube should not even be able to leak.

It could be where the airline connects to the valve, it could be that the hammer is just pushing the valve open alittle bit, it could be a bad o ring seal in the valve, or it could just be junk in the valve/need to be oiled.

Sure he was kinda harsh, but he put in some good qustions that need to be answered in order for anyone to help.


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There is a proper way to speak to people and apparently this guy has never had a communications class.  As for knowing more than I will ever know, doubtful even if it is on this subject.  Sure there were some extra questions that needed asking but there's alot better ways of going about it than talking down to people. I know the internals of these guns aswell as others but there appears to be an air leak in the valve, and I had to research the tippy diagrams a little more to realize how the valve and powertube work but I simply asked for a little assitance so I wouldnt have to re-invent the gun so to speak.  There is absolutely no reason to be a jerk whatsoever to anybody, newbies or pros.  Be constructive in your posts because im pretty sure thats the reason tippmann gave us these forums.

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Okay well you are going to meet tons of people on these forums that are going to stick up for Bruce cause he has been there for most of us in the past and helped us when we were noobs.

He and Rambino are the people I listen to the most and I even search up things they say because they have answers to most or almost any problems and questions.  When you get an answer from them you know you have been well advised.  Now people on these forums are constantly asking dumb questions, dey is not usein propuer anlaish wards, they don't read the stickies, they don't read the manual, they think that we will spoon-feed every answer to them, they make it difficult for people to try and help them, some of them even think they know a lot - that last part makes me laugh.

I admit that Bruce has seemed to be a little snappy recently.  But don't think you know more than he does and you shouldn't even imagine that you ever will (about Tippmann guns) and a lot of other things too. You might doubt that but that’s because you aren’t smart enough to even know.

Although he might have been rude - if you want help here stop whining and answer our questions before we can answer yours! Plus don’t diss Bruce cause then no one will help you.

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well, i am here to get advice for this kid at our field....he has one of those tippmann thingies, and of course, it doesn't work....so i came here to get info to repair this thing.....

after reading this crap, and the fact that this is from the tippman guru....i am going to recommend to the kid to get an ion or something. as the customer service for tippmann is dog-**edited**! tippmann ought to go back to making 'leather working' sewing machines! i used to praise tippmann pro-lites as they use to be our rental guns. but along came a spider.....

you guys need to grow up, you are talking about rental guns here, and you act as if you are the freakin' end all of paintball, you are just some cheap asses that can't afford a real marker..god damn, someone ask a freakin' question, get's a part name wrong and you flame his ass, you are a bunch of freakin' losers, that would never freakin' make it on the field! from now on, when new players ask what should they get for their first gun, i will let them know about the customer service here at tippmann, and they they should look in a different direction......way to go you freakin' asses, you just lost a butt load of customers for tippman!

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grow up and spend some money you freakin noobs!
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Originally posted by mok_star mok_star wrote:

well, i am here to get advice for this kid at our field....he has one of those tippmann thingies, and of course, it doesn't work....so i came here to get info to repair this thing.....

after reading this crap, and the fact that this is from the tippman guru....i am going to recommend to the kid to get an ion or something. as the customer service for tippmann is dog-**edited**! tippmann ought to go back to making 'leather working' sewing machines! i used to praise tippmann pro-lites as they use to be our rental guns. but along came a spider.....

you guys need to grow up, you are talking about rental guns here, and you act as if you are the freakin' end all of paintball, you are just some cheap asses that can't afford a real marker..god damn, someone ask a freakin' question, get's a part name wrong and you flame his ass, you are a bunch of freakin' losers, that would never freakin' make it on the field! from now on, when new players ask what should they get for their first gun, i will let them know about the customer service here at tippmann, and they they should look in a different direction......way to go you freakin' asses, you just lost a butt load of customers for tippman!

I would recommend he get an Ion also. Nice marker, plenty of upgrades now, and when he asks for help on the Ion Group, even though his question has been addressed and definitive answered three thousand times, he will probably receive nothing but hugs an kisses.

Mok_Star, on the field I'm the guy they come to when their marker malfunctions. I carry complete tools, "O" rings, and many replacement parts in my kit and everyone knows I'll help and lend them parts if needed. I'll help to the point of missing several games in a row.

On the field, I get asked for suggestions on marker operation, paint, hoppers and so on by kids who are absolutely new to the sport. I answer what I can and point them to others who can help.

I am patient to an extreme, but I don't tolerate, very well, kids who don't listen and ask again the same question (and I've answered) they have asked three times before.

On these Tippmann Forums I have answered more than 2400 questions (a small number compared to some of the long time knowledgeable people here). Many/most questions have been answered before. I have spent hours crafting a word picture to try and clarify a solution and have spent  equal time created drawings with labels to actually further explain the words. I have gone out on the web and pulled up pictures and text or linked to them after spending the time on Google to provide results. I actually bought a digital camera so that I could provide clearer and more easily uploaded pictures to the forums. I do searches in the forums to locate and link both my posts and other peoples posts to provide the answers to people who won't go to the trouble read the manual.

There have been times recently when I began to think I am suffering burnout and stayed away from the Forums for a week to two weeks at a time. I venture back and see the same-old same-old.

The forums, at least this one and the "Upgrades" one, are not just chat rooms. They are an absolute fountain of information with a depth  that would take years to acquire from just an individual's experience. There are thousands of topics. The only time I have seen a short-fall in formation was when the propane powered marker came out. It was just too new to have created a data base yet.

Searches will produce results. The extra reading required to slog through the innumerable posts that are found provide additional info that is beneficial to one's more fully understanding of the  marker. Clearly I am irritated by those who want a detailed explanation because they are not willing or made only a cursory attempt to research a topic. Lately I have been criticized because I told someone how to research his question, and he implied that I was lazy and unwilling to help. Not in this question, but I also am irritated by those who think leetspeak is a good way to ask a technical question who then get sarcastic when I ask for the English translation.

Now to address specifically my short-tempered-ness of late...due to circumstances beyond my control I have not been able to play paintball for FIVE MONTHS now. I have a new Cheetah board for my hopper and a new upgrade board for my E-Bolt, but with my mother in law visiting for the last month I have not even had the spare time to install these new toys. But, if you can't take a little bluntness, if your coach has never yelled at you, if you quit the team when he did, you are too thin-skinned for the give and take of virtually any informational forum discussion.

Then, is it over-reacting when someone  hasn't even bothered to try to find the part name? How is one supposed to translate the part called a "thingie?" Next week we are scheduled to play speedball. afterwards, I may not be less brusk when its called for, but I may be able to resist making it into an art form.



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Well Bruce,

Hopefully when you come back from paintball you'll feel a little happier.

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It really doesnt help that "powerfeed" is an actual part that can be put on a tippmann.

Tippmann customer support is one of the best in the business. This forum is not customer support, and is no way related to customer support other than it is part of the tippmann site.

Also... So you have to have a "high end" gun to be good at a sport. Not that you can upgrade a "low end" gun to make it better? Thats just retarded. Pro-lite? holy crap how long has it been since you played?


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Originally posted by phil_stl phil_stl wrote:

Well Bruce,

Hopefully when you come back from paintball you'll feel a little happier.

Who said I was unhappy? Over worked, under paid, then lost my job to an illegal, but unhappy?  No way!  

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I agree that Tippmann has good customer support I over-tightened my valve and stripped the screws that go into it. I then, feeling awfully stupid for deciding to take a marker down to the basics, phoned Tippmann and they sent me a new valve, red loctite, and new valve screws- no questions asked. the order got to me a week later.

    this to me is good customer service, but i haven't got to
    talk to any friends about how Smart Parts customer service
    is, but I'd guess its pretty good if they're selling ions to noobs.


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Originally posted by Bruce A. Frank Bruce A. Frank wrote:

Originally posted by mok_star mok_star wrote:

well, i am here to get advice for this kid at our field....he has one of those tippmann thingies, and of course, it doesn't work....so i came here to get info to repair this thing.....

after reading this crap, and the fact that this is from the tippman guru....i am going to recommend to the kid to get an ion or something. as the customer service for tippmann is dog-**edited**! tippmann ought to go back to making 'leather working' sewing machines! i used to praise tippmann pro-lites as they use to be our rental guns. but along came a spider.....

you guys need to grow up, you are talking about rental guns here, and you act as if you are the freakin' end all of paintball, you are just some cheap asses that can't afford a real marker..god damn, someone ask a freakin' question, get's a part name wrong and you flame his ass, you are a bunch of freakin' losers, that would never freakin' make it on the field! from now on, when new players ask what should they get for their first gun, i will let them know about the customer service here at tippmann, and they they should look in a different direction......way to go you freakin' asses, you just lost a butt load of customers for tippman!

I would recommend he get an Ion also. Nice marker, plenty of upgrades now, and when he asks for help on the Ion Group, even though his question has been addressed and definitive answered three thousand times, he will probably receive nothing but hugs an kisses.

Mok_Star, on the field I'm the guy they come to when their marker malfunctions. I carry complete tools, "O" rings, and many replacement parts in my kit and everyone knows I'll help and lend them parts if needed. I'll help to the point of missing several games in a row.

On the field, I get asked for suggestions on marker operation, paint, hoppers and so on by kids who are absolutely new to the sport. I answer what I can and point them to others who can help.

I am patient to an extreme, but I don't tolerate, very well, kids who don't listen and ask again the same question (and I've answered) they have asked three times before.

On these Tippmann Forums I have answered more than 2400 questions (a small number compared to some of the long time knowledgeable people here). Many/most questions have been answered before. I have spent hours crafting a word picture to try and clarify a solution and have spent  equal time created drawings with labels to actually further explain the words. I have gone out on the web and pulled up pictures and text or linked to them after spending the time on Google to provide results. I actually bought a digital camera so that I could provide clearer and more easily uploaded pictures to the forums. I do searches in the forums to locate and link both my posts and other peoples posts to provide the answers to people who won't go to the trouble read the manual.

There have been times recently when I began to think I am suffering burnout and stayed away from the Forums for a week to two weeks at a time. I venture back and see the same-old same-old.

The forums, at least this one and the "Upgrades" one, are not just chat rooms. They are an absolute fountain of information with a depth  that would take years to acquire from just an individual's experience. There are thousands of topics. The only time I have seen a short-fall in formation was when the propane powered marker came out. It was just too new to have created a data base yet.

Searches will produce results. The extra reading required to slog through the innumerable posts that are found provide additional info that is beneficial to one's more fully understanding of the  marker. Clearly I am irritated by those who want a detailed explanation because they are not willing or made only a cursory attempt to research a topic. Lately I have been criticized because I told someone how to research his question, and he implied that I was lazy and unwilling to help. Not in this question, but I also am irritated by those who think leetspeak is a good way to ask a technical question who then get sarcastic when I ask for the English translation.

Now to address specifically my short-tempered-ness of late...due to circumstances beyond my control I have not been able to play paintball for FIVE MONTHS now. I have a new Cheetah board for my hopper and a new upgrade board for my E-Bolt, but with my mother in law visiting for the last month I have not even had the spare time to install these new toys. But, if you can't take a little bluntness, if your coach has never yelled at you, if you quit the team when he did, you are too thin-skinned for the give and take of virtually any informational forum discussion.

Then, is it over-reacting when someone  hasn't even bothered to try to find the part name? How is one supposed to translate the part called a "thingie?" Next week we are scheduled to play speedball. afterwards, I may not be less brusk when its called for, but I may be able to resist making it into an art form.

GREAT post, Bruce!!

i think this highlights several members' recent frustration over repeated questions, sometimes on the same page as one another.

and to mok_star: first of all, i highly doubt a "butt load of customers" are searching this site, and are basing their choice of a paintball gun off of this specific thread. those who use this site correctly find more information than they know what to do with. it's really not that hard: there's a search button. you type what you are looking for, how you want to look for it, where you want to look, and it'll show results. it's not that hard. if you don't find what you're looking for, then ask us. we're more than happy to help, but its stupid for us to waste our time, as well as yours, when the information is right in front of you. i've been at a fields numerous times, and loaned out my allen wrenches, oil, and even some paint now and again. am i happy to do it? yes! but i'm not gonna give someone some paint or oil if he has some of his own in his dufflebag 10 feet away.
and about the "rental gun" comment, there are quite a few people, myself included, that have shown others on the field that Tippmanns are a little more than just "rental guns." games start, and high-end guns are being pinned down by a 98's with a flatline. impossible? i think not. every gun serves a purpose, most of them serve multiple purposes. so get your head out of your butt and realize that a gun is only as productive as the person firing it. give me a sl-68II, or a dm6. i'll still play the same, but with the dm6 i'll just be throwing more paint.



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