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    Posted: 13 May 2007 at 7:43pm
I have a cure for high gasoline pricing, lets suspend the taxation till the refinery's are back up to 90% after thier required EPA upgrades and maintenence. As for the .07-.09 profit per gallon by big oil, lets look at the profit from big government.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/statistics/gas_taxes_by_st ate_2002.html

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publicatio ns/petroleum_marketing_monthly/current/pdf/enote.pdf

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So we stop taxing the oil refineries until they can get the new upgrades put in?  You know... I think I just agreed with oldsoldier.
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I hate to disagree OS(and I can't believe I'm saying this) but a temporary tax relief is not the answer. If it was done, I see the price of oil going up since we are now okay with paying $3 a gallon. There are better, and permanent ways to get the prices down.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oldsoldier Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2007 at 9:39pm
Yes, domestic drilling, more and newer technology refineries (currently the tree huggers have prevented that option). We have the crude, just not enough refineries to equalize the supply and demand of refined products.
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Lower gas prices
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So what ever happened to the Dems investigations of big oils price gouging? For once I was routing for the Dems .
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Problem is, the government is qouging more than the oil companies. It is in the governments best interest to keep the gas tax structure and volumn sold up, or they would lose thier windfall confiscation of your money.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Problem is, the government is qouging more than the oil companies. It is in the governments best interest to keep the gas tax structure and volumn sold up, or they would lose thier windfall confiscation of your money.

I'm not disagreeing with you here OS, Im just waiting for all these much needed "investigations". I am still of the belief that last years election results had more to do with energy prices then Iraq. People are split on the war, but everyone is getting raped at the pump.
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The "investigations" have been done in the past, granted by then REp controlled congress, and found that nothing "illegal" was going on. In our capitalist system if there are no laws on the books limiting energy prices there isn't a lever that the government can use to effect price changes.

Until the congress critters are willing to forgo the big corporate campaign contributions, Reps and Dems, energy price regulation isn't going to happen.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote .Ryan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2007 at 11:23pm
Or we could make them stop lowering production on purpose....that'd work too...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CarbineKid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 May 2007 at 11:28pm
Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

Or we could make them stop lowering production on purpose....that'd work too...

Wow here I am agree with Ryan and disagreeing with OS. These are strange times
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Originally posted by CarbineKid CarbineKid wrote:

Originally posted by .Ryan .Ryan wrote:

Or we could make them stop lowering production on purpose....that'd work too...

Wow here I am agree with Ryan and disagreeing with OS. These are strange times
I concur.
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Wow - is OS the only capitalist in this thread?  What's with all the people advocting "making" the oil companies do something, or the government "effecting" a price change?  And what the heck is "price gouging" anyway?

Since when is it the government's business to regulate gasoline prices?  We WON the cold war, remember?  That means that the oil companies can charge whatever they want.

That said, I think CarbineKid got it right with the tax relief issue.  That would be a very short-term relief.  Price, supply, and demand interact.  If the price artificially goes down, then demand goes up, and then the price goes back up again.

The way to lower price is either increase supply or reduce demand.

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Gas prices hit $3.50 a gallon here over the weekend, Woot.

I am actually for the higher gas prices. I wish it would jump to $10 a gallon.

My reasoning, is purely selfish. Less people on the road to pollute the air and get in my way. Purely a survival of the economically fittest kind of thing.

If $10.00 a gallon isn't enough to get people off the roads, I a even willing to pay $50 a gallon.
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Originally posted by Hades Hades wrote:

Gas prices hit $3.50 a gallon here over the weekend, Woot.

I am actually for the higher gas prices. I wish it would jump to $10 a gallon.

My reasoning, is purely selfish. Less people on the road to pollute the air and get in my way. Purely a survival of the economically fittest kind of thing.

If $10.00 a gallon isn't enough to get people off the roads, I a even willing to pay $50 a gallon.
Hades, what do you do for money?

Also you got a tC, gas wouldnt be to much of a **edited** for you. And That V8 'Stang is pretty efficiant for a V8. Dont you get upwards of 20mpg?

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The dealer claims 17/25 miles per gallon on the GT but I am guessing it is alot less. I don't drive that one as often or as far as I drive the tC.

I work for my money.

Also I am thinking about biking to work and to college after the end of this school year, not to save money but to increase stamina and improve health. Again, the higher the cost of gas, the safer on a bike I will be due to the less cars on the road to hit me.



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My local government has proposed and approved a nickel/gallon hike to our gas taxes ... needless to say, on top of the local rising price of gas prices, this comes as a slap in the face. I can agree with this one OS. Supposedly the tax hike was for local road repair ... leaving me to wish that our governments, local and federal, would start budgeting like a sane, fiscally responsible indavidual or buisness. Alas, this can't be done by wishing ... and it's a subject rarely directly adressed by politicians during elections ... so it's difficult to vote on this issue.

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OPINION! I know what will happen with the prices of gas. It will sky rocket we'll cry about it, and bend over, and take it like we always do. You know why? Because no one is willing to do what it takes and drive a pos ford aspire to work every day becuase "it's not safe!" and "it's uncomfortable" and good for them honestly, they can kill themselves economically and kill the middle class who will stoop down to buying an aspire but you know who will fair the best though? The poor people, when you've got nothing you can't lose anything.

This is opioniated, I'm awaring every one becuase had I wrote that people would probebly want to act like I was writing things I thought were facts, but what I do know is this, when my parents were my age and gas prices spiked like this their parents refused to pay $1.00 for gas at 50 gallons, so they bought smaller cars. But we are of the gratification generation and we will simply pay the $3.00 cry about it and move on. That's life when you don't want to lower your standards becuase everything was given to you.

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Originally posted by Razgriz Ghost Razgriz Ghost wrote:

OPINION!

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