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    Posted: 27 May 2007 at 8:14am
Just a little thing I found interesting. In 1956 gasoline cost $.25 a gallon, and the average American wage was $1.00 an hour. So it took 1/4 hour to earn a gallon of gas. Today gas averages $3.00 a gallon, and the average American wage is $12.00 an hour. SO on an average scale we are exactly where we were in 1956 on gas pricing, so the problem is?
I still remmember paying $.25 a gallon when I first started driving, by then gas taxes started going up, our public trans system was failing, and everyone had to have thier own 8-12 mph car. And when the unforseen rise to $1.00 a gallon, and a general shrug of shoulders and we drove on.
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Just a little thing I found interesting. In 1956 gasoline cost $.25 a gallon, and the average American wage was $1.00 an hour. So it took 1/4 hour to earn a gallon of gas. Today gas averages $3.00 a gallon, and the average American wage is $12.00 an hour. SO on an average scale we are exactly where we were in 1956 on gas pricing, so the problem is?
I still remmember paying $.25 a gallon when I first started driving, by then gas taxes started going up, our public trans system was failing, and everyone had to have thier own 8-12 mph car. And when the unforseen rise to $1.00 a gallon, and a general shrug of shoulders and we drove on.

With improved technology in the fields of refining, transportation, and dispensation, people probably feel it shouldn't take up as much of our income. Also, profits, need I say more?

Yes, inflation sucks.
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Damn I'd kill to get .25 cents a gallon.
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Meh, I just pay it and drive. Nothing else I can do about it.
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

Meh, I just pay it and drive. Nothing else I can do about it.
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The profits that the gas companies make are rediculous. That is the only reason I disagree with the raising gas prices. We still make a big deal of that we are running out of oil. They have been saying that for years and it's not true. America is sitting on an oil field, but we are using up others resources that way we have a back up. And people that say the prices are going up because of the war, it's untrue.
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Are you just going to keep making gas threads or what?

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Is the average wage really $12 an hour?

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It's not a hortage of oil, it's a shortage of refining capacity. New refineries take a long time to approve, and growth has been slow. Plus gas tax is a very significant part of it.
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.25 cents a gallon would be godly.
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Originally posted by ANARCHY_SCOUT ANARCHY_SCOUT wrote:

Damn I'd kill to get .25 cents a gallon.

what he's saying is it's all in proportion. the same reason why your great grandpa could get into a movie for a nickel, BUT he didn't get paid as much to begin with, so it all evened out. of course you could kill for 25 cents a gallon, because you probably make $9+ an hour.
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Originally posted by ANARCHY_SCOUT ANARCHY_SCOUT wrote:

Damn I'd kill to get .25 cents a gallon.


Would you also like to lower your income by 97% also?
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I think gas was about $1.20 when I started driving.

That is an increase of 95 cents from OldSoldier's proposed 25 cent 1950 price.


...And that was three years ago.

Why did it increase $1.85 in three years?




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Gas was about $1.40 when I started driving.
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Originally posted by Tae Kwon Do Tae Kwon Do wrote:

I think gas was about $1.20 when I started driving.

That is an increase of 95 cents from OldSoldier's proposed 25 cent 1950 price.


...And that was three years ago.

Why did it increase $1.85 in three years?




Foreign Demand.

Also remember, Cars "back in those days" were getting around 7-10mpg. So you also have to remember, they don't have the 35+mpg that we have these Days, though insurance and other costs have gone way up... Nothing has really changed. I think alot of the low gas prices in the 80's - 90's was the Fall of the Soviet Union. other "foreign" oil companies didn't have the oil guzzling Military like the soviet union.
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

If we all had CCWs then this highway robbery would stop.

Amen.
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lets see, I sell lemonaid for $.25 a glass, it costs $.14 per glass for powder, water ice, and my profit per glass is $.09. Now if I sell 100 glasses and make $9.00, and then I sell the next day 1000 glasses and make $90.00, and the next week I sell 10,000 glasses and I make $900.00 when does it become price gouging and excess profit? The amount of profit on a set price is proportional to the amount sold, not the price of the product. Oh and once the Government decideds to put an $.18 tax on the lemonaid and my price goes up to $.43, does my profit go up also?

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Some thoughts:

1.  I am not familiar with the particular numbers that OS describes, but numerous studies have been done illustrating how gasoline prices are only now at or near all-time highs when adjusted for inflation.  Gasoline prices (in the US) have been lagging inflation for decades.

2.  Being ahead or behind inflation is a decent indicator for an "expected" movement range for prices, but many prices stray far from inflation for market reasons:  Prices for TVs and DVDs, for instance, have not kept up with inflation, while prices for bottled water have outpaced inflation over the last few decades.  Inflation is the "average" price increase - inflation follows prices, not the other way around.

3.  Reports of the "record" profits of oil companies are misleading.  Yes, oil companies have made massive dollars/quarter the last couple of years, but (a) these numbers are not inflation-adjusted, and (b) they fail to consider profit margins. 

4.  In 2006, for instance, BP's net profit margin was 8.6%, and Exxon's was 10.46%.  Those are above average profit margins, no doubt, but (a) much higher than they have been in the past for oil companies (oil companies are what investors call "cyclical stocks" - they go up and down), and (b) these profit margins are much lower than some other sectors, like pharmaceuticals, high tech, banks, and telecom.  Apple's profit margin is 14%; Ebay's is 20%.  Calling the profits of oil companies "ridiculous" is uninformed - the oil business is not extraordinarily profitable, relatively speaking.

 

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I just want to know why gas is $3.60 where I live and under $3.00 other places. Fricking Michigan taxes....
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