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Predatorr 
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His screams are chilling. As far as i'm concerned, it's murder.
Ummm, Videos of people's deaths are not appropriate on this forum.... Edited by God - 15 November 2007 at 4:19pm |
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 6:34pm |
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And he doesn't get a strike for posting someone dieing. Yet if I make fun of him I would get one ?
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choopie911
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 6:38pm |
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Cry about it you noob. The video he posted isn't about "LOL HE DIED!!!" it's about an issue that's going on right now. A man was tazered and killed in the Vancouver International Airport. Originally the RCMP said the man fought with them, etc. Now that the tape has been returned to him, and released to the public it's clear that he steps away from them, and thats all. Yes, he threw a stool and a computer earlier, but did nothing to the police. Thus, it's a big issue trying to decide if they did the right thing, what he did, and what to do now. |
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 6:43pm |
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They most certainly did NOT do the right thing. A Taser is the last less lethal option in the escalation of force before firing a gunshot. They made no attempt to calm him down or get an interpreter... Buddy was stuck in an airport for 11 hours, not speaking any English. His mom had thought he wasn't on the flight and had gone home, and he had no-one picking him up. Understandably he as a bit pissed off... So they show up and 25 seconds later taser him. Turns out he has a weak heart and died, all because a couple of cops were bloody lazy and incompetent.
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 6:44pm |
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From the sounds of it, they didnt even plan to try to calm him down. A bystander clearly explains that he doesn't speak any english. You can also hear this: cop 1: "Can I tazer him?" cop 2: "yep" |
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Predatorr
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 6:44pm |
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My point is, how could you not know that you're going to cause damage with your knee on somebody's neck? Beyond police brutality, tazers are intended as a nonlethal solution to just shooting somebody, but to what extent has this prevented other forms of violence??
Sorry about the vid, I was posting it for it's insight, forgot about the death part. Point being, the guy didn't speak english, and was of no threat to the police. Our fear of the unknown causes so much damage. |
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 6:48pm |
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Knee to the neck is still far less lethal than the tazer, that's hardly the issue here. |
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 6:52pm |
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I follow that, for me, the issue is tazers being referred to as "nonlethal" weapons. They're supposed to be used on non-cooperative, dangerous people. Not people we don't understand and therefore deem to be dangerous. Furthermore, the actions that follow the use of the tazer are often violent, and in several videotaped cases i've seen online, they end in extreme damage, or death. Completely unacceptable. Edit- The knee to the neck on a struggling, confused man would cause significantly more damage than a knee to the neck of a calm (however unlikely) man. Edited by Predatorr - 15 November 2007 at 6:53pm |
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 7:00pm |
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Not to mention the totally ridiculous cop that basically stabs him with his nightstick, what the hell?
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 7:15pm |
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Just saw the video, I don't think it was as overboard as you guys say. He was acting like a fool. And don't even try the, oh well he is foreign card. Would you run around yelling, waving a table around then smashing computer ? Would you expect them to treat you kindly after you spaz out ? Something was not right with that guy.
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 7:17pm |
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I know I will be flamed for this but... Since this has been an issue, I have sorta actually leaned towards the side of the police.
With how the world has changed since 9/11, i'm surprised that this doesn't happen a lot more often. The guy WAS behaving erratically, and they couldn't communicate with him even with a woman translating. This was not just some guy yelling at people and got tazered for no reason and died because of the evil police. Furthermore, I am really pissed off at the huge media bias on all the Canadian news stations i've seen. They are usually half decent and fairly non-biased. Though, I will say that I do believe that the police reacted too quickly, and should have analyzed the situation more. I also believe that anti-taser people are idiots. |
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 7:19pm |
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 7:25pm |
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Yes. It is a form of applied force to get compliance.
Used propperly a night stick can get anyone to submit, either by causing them such pain they stop struggling, or by knocking them the hell out. However it is less dangerous to use a Tazer to zap a person into compliance than to lay them out cold with a night stick. This is one reason Tazers were introduced. Tazsers are also normally faster acting than any other form of force besides a JHP to the nervous system and normally less dangerous all round. KBK |
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 7:34pm |
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So please, someone explain to me how a broken arm, kick in the groin, or maybe a cut would have been worse than this man losing his life?
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 7:40pm |
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It seems more and more these days that cops are using tazers as an easy way out instead of a second-to-last resort, like they were meant to be.
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 7:57pm |
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whats odd is that there has been 2 instances in my life where a crazed person has been talked out of doing hwatever there doing by my dad. one time a coworker of his came to our house, claiming he killed a cop, then started acting very agresive and dangerous, about 4 of our neighbours called the cops, my dad negotiated, and got him calm. cops came, and said he didnt take his meds, he was wanted due to a conection to something htey wouldnt tell us, and said it was nearly imposible that he was calmed down without his meds and they were quite glad because they believed they would have had to use the tazers. another time some lady freaked out at a mcdonalds, started trashing stuff because she couldnt fit a coffee lid on a pop cup, and said the man is screwing us over and wants us all dead. talks to her, cops come and forcibly took her away in cuffs and said my dad handled it very well. manager of mcdonalds said thanks, gave us our meal free.... only things is none of this hit the news. we need cops who can negotiate with their words, not tons of volts of electricity. |
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 8:07pm |
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Exactly correct. |
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 8:16pm |
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It happens, the tased him and even then he was still trying to fight them off.
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 8:19pm |
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Posted: 15 November 2007 at 8:22pm |
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Did you not see the part where they are trying to get on top of him and he keeps shaking them off. He was doing more than twitching. |
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