Tippmann rifled barrel?

http://www.tippmann.com/about_us/pressReleaseDetails.aspx?id =55

Now I know that rifling a barrel in paintball doesn't work because it is filled with a liquid. I see this on the Tippmann webpage and it is advertised with true rifling technology. Is this going to be any different than any other rifled barrel? Or is this just some bullcrap advertising to make their barrel seem special. I am not really sure because whenever someone comes out with a rifled barrel it is advertised as the greatest thing,but in reality it doesn't work so well. The page mentions that and says that they have fixed that problem. Do you think it will be any better than the others?

Wow, I have a great Idea, lets make a barrel, that has rifling in it, so that it can damage/tear up and or destroy the paintball's shell before it goes out of the barrel!   Sounds just as good as windows vista!

I donno the whole Idea of rifling for paintball seems dumb to me..

I am so glad that special ops joined with tippmann, they are so retarded in their ways... EX - "Send us your paintball gun we can paint it digi camo for ... $157.00!"  .. I did it for $27.00..

Special ops is good at making their products seem "Awsome", thats probably why its got all that "fluff" on the page to make it seem like it is the best barrel ever.. Just my opinion though..

personally ive never had a break in my hammerhead barrel due to the barrel itself breaking the ball

but jordan, untill tippmann gets pics up of the barrels we wont know if its crap or good

tried to keep argueing (like all salesmen do) so i just said its not worth $15 and left

You Wont See Me wrote: The paintball shell may "spin" but the liquid paint inside will not.

And this is probably the largest misconception in the game of paintball, alongside 'cockers shooting farther...

You do know how a Flatline works, right?

Depends on the type of "Straight rifling" you are talking about.  The type that is in my Hop-Up barrel does work as it is putting a backspin on the ball by lowering the air pressure at the top of the barrel forcing the ball to ride up on the top of the barrel and get pushed by higher air pressure along the bottom of the ball.  It's done for range.

Straight rifling where you have equal groves on all sides of the ball, as it was explained to me, was designed to equalize pressure behind the ball on all sides so the ball was shot more consistantly.  I've seen those kinds of barrels but I've never seen them really work well.

Also, IIRC, the extra distance of the flatline system is an aerodynamic effect.  The fill of the paint inside spinning or not spinnning doesn't matter as the air is only passing over the shell and not the fill inside.  The stabilization effect of rifling is more of a gyroscopic stabilization where the mass of the round spinning does make a difference thus the fill needs to spin too inside the paintball for rifling to truely work.  Again, someone may correct me if I'm wrong on this but that's how I was made to understand it.

Actually there is a review from some guys who used the straightline at D-Day and it seems to be a really kick ass barrel, with really good range and accuracy.

Either those guys are getting paid by Tippmann to tell bull crap to everybody or they real did something new with that riffling with the help of HammerHead. I am pretty sure I will get the barrel kit and make myself a sniper set-up with this new barrel kit.

Anyway just go take a look a the thread guys:

http://www.hellions.net/Warzone/showthread.php?t=424

Mack wrote: DeTrevni wrote: You Wont See Me wrote: The paintball shell may "spin" but the liquid paint inside will not. And this is probably the largest misconception in the game of paintball, alongside 'cockers shooting farther... You do know how a Flatline works, right? What YWSE should have said, and probably meant to say, is that rifling will not put a spin on a paintball.  The Flatline works because it imparts spin on the ball in a direction that uses the forward motion of the ball to do so. Rifled barrels generally don't work for several reasons: They attempt to impart spin on the ball in a direction that 90 degrees off axis from the forward motion of the ball.  (This means the velocity of the ball does not assist in putting spin on it.) Paintball rifling does not work in the same manner as gun rifling.  The lands and grooves in a gun actually allow the barrel to "bite in" to the bullet slightly and the spin is put on the bullet in a manner similar to the way a screw spins through a nut.  (Yes, not the best explanation, but I was trying for layman's terms.) Paintball rifling can't bite into paintballs for very obvious reasons that involve having to clean one's barrels a lot.  This results in having to use a barrel that operates on friction only with even the amount of friction having to be limited so that the competing forward motion and off-axis attempt to spin the ball don't cause inertial forces which rip the balls apart. The end result is rifling which is little more than a series of gentle ridges inside the barrel interacting with a gelatin surface which is capable of giving under pressure as opposed to remain ridged and being affected by the rifling. The revolutions per minute of a bullet are affect by the twist ratio of the lands and groves and is directly proportional to the forward velocity.  The significantly slower velocity of paint would result in less rotation on the paintball even if the paintball barrel rifling could work with 100% efficiency. As someone pointed out above, bullets are solid and paintballs aren't.  Any spin imparted on the shell does not necessarily result in spin in the fill.  Additionally, the inertia/friction of the internal fill with reduce/eliminate shell spin at a rate faster than what a bullet quits spinning at. The Flatline works because it uses a friction surface which works with the forward velocity of the ball to impart a spin that is normally somewhere between 31,000 and 35,000 rpms and this is sufficient to produce significant spin of the internal fill of the paintball as well.  Rifled barrels attempt to use substandard rifling (when compared to real guns) to impart a spin on the ball in a direction that is perpendicular to the flight of the ball.  The nature of the projectile, constraints on the rifling and the forward motion and spin working at cross-purposes tends to make putting any significant spin on a paintball from rifling quite difficult.  As a side note, stop motion camera based tests were conducted on Armson rifled barrels when they first came out that indicated they imparted no spin on the ball but the gentle rifling apparently helped with ball to bore fit.

That's all well and good and the like, but do you really think if you spin a paintball, the fill won't spin? THIS is what I'm arguing against, not the physics of a barrel or what-have-you. Paint is two things: thick and sticky. Paint is filled so there are no air bubbles in capsules. When a paintball spins, it all spins, and I blame friction. Spin a paintball on the table. If the fill stayed put, I'm arguing that the rate at which the ball spun would dramatically be decreased by the friction of the viscous paint interacting with the shell. The rates at which the fill and shell start off spinning may be slightly off, but the entire thing will spin.