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    Posted: 07 August 2008 at 1:42pm
I am thinking about making some hard apple cider during school this semester to save some money.  Has anyone else done this before?  If so, any advice?  I've been reading up on it, and it doesn't seem too hard, the only thing I might have to worry about is it stinking up my dorm but that's it. 
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I've only made homebrew beer before, and it's not hard to do at all. As for cider, I think BarrelBreak or Tallen can help you.

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Hard Cider is as simple as cider + yeast. Now, you might want to boil the cider before starting to kill off any wild yeast and bacteria first.
I accidentally made some (the wild yeast just went wild), and it was delish.

Just google around for some more info if you feel the need.
And yes, it does kinda stink, you could try putting a balloon on the top of the jug.

e: As for type of yeast, it makes a difference as far as taste goes. Yes, baking yeast will make alcohol, but it will taste terrible, get champagne yeast if you can.

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In addition to what Barrel Break already said, it is important to have an idea of what kind of body and acidity you are looking to achieve with the final product. I've found that Northern Spy apples tend to give you a sweet and mellow body. Using Granny Smith apples is going to give you a higher acidity in the finish, with less sugars and a lower ABV due to the fact that very few yeasts will stand up to the acidity of the GS apple.
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Like what tallen said, get the right apples. If you go to a cider mill and tell them what you want, they might be able to press it for you then and there. A lot of our local apple crop was damaged due to hail this year so cider prices in the fall are supposed to be low, no doubt my sister will make a few 12 gallon batches. We have two 6 gallon containers with airlocks for the purpose. Champagne yeast will give you the highest alcohol content, wine yeast might give better taste. We add sugar, or honey, depending on what we are going for with flavor. The best trick we've learned is to add white raisins, sometimes the cider will take on a slightly metallic taste, the raisins seem to absorb the nastyness without adding their own flavor. Her last batch was probably the best I've had. Anyway, word of warning: Respect cider. You will be feeling pretty good for a while, you may even think you can drink a lot of it. It's going to be twice as alcoholic as a decent beer and go down like nothing. You will be fine and buzzed one minute, then retarded an/or puking the next. Hangovers with that stuff are terrible. I would not recommend drinking 2 liters in a sitting. 
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Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

Anyway, word of warning: Respect cider. You will be feeling pretty good for a while, you may even think you can drink a lot of it. It's going to be twice as alcoholic as a decent beer and go down like nothing. You will be fine and buzzed one minute, then retarded an/or puking the next. Hangovers with that stuff are terrible. I would not recommend drinking 2 liters in a sitting. 


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Oh, one other thing, make sure that you wash your apples prior to pressing if you aren't going directly to a cider mill. They may either have a food-grade wax coating or sulfur/sulfite dusting to prevent fungal growth which can retard or kill your yeast.
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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

... retard... yeast.


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anyway you could press the apples fairly simply? minus the obvious of course, that being an apple press.

also, mehs, where did you read about the stuff? i'm slightly interested in the same sort of thing
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Tallen, what was that stuff my Ex liked from your restaurant?
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bah. homemade alcohol is nasty...

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Originally posted by GI JOES SON GI JOES SON wrote:

anyway you could press the apples fairly simply? minus the obvious of course, that being an apple press.

also, mehs, where did you read about the stuff? i'm slightly interested in the same sort of thing


I was thinking of a way to save money during school, and I remember my co-worker talking about it awhile back. 

I've been looking it up on various websites, there are a lot of ways to do it.  I liked this one the best though:
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Simple-Hard-Cider
Also I found this while looking, I might actually have to try it too:
http://www.stormthecastle.com/mead/fast-cheap-mead-making.ht m

There are plenty of orchards around where I go to school, so finding fresh organic cider shouldn't be a problem.  Also, would adding cinnamon sticks while it's fermenting be worth it?
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Tallen, what was that stuff my Ex liked from your restaurant?



Magner's Cider I think.

Oh, and Mehs.... that first recipe is worthless. Well, not completely worthless, but you'd be making a really godawful ciser rather than cider.

Also, good meade takes a long time to make with a lot of rather expensive equipment. Stick to boiled apple cider pitched with champagne yeast and maybe a touch of dextrose to give the yeast a kick-start.

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When you're brewing anything, the first thing you have to remember is to sterilize freaking everything.  Anything that's going to be coming in contact with the batch.
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Originally posted by Brian Fellows Brian Fellows wrote:

When you're brewing anything, the first thing you have to remember is to sterilize freaking everything.  Anything that's going to be coming in contact with the batch.

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Originally posted by rednekk98 rednekk98 wrote:

Like what tallen said, get the right apples. If you go to a cider mill and tell them what you want, they might be able to press it for you then and there. A lot of our local apple crop was damaged due to hail this year so cider prices in the fall are supposed to be low, no doubt my sister will make a few 12 gallon batches. We have two 6 gallon containers with airlocks for the purpose. Champagne yeast will give you the highest alcohol content, wine yeast might give better taste. We add sugar, or honey, depending on what we are going for with flavor. The best trick we've learned is to add white raisins, sometimes the cider will take on a slightly metallic taste, the raisins seem to absorb the nastyness without adding their own flavor. Her last batch was probably the best I've had. Anyway, word of warning: Respect cider. You will be feeling pretty good for a while, you may even think you can drink a lot of it. It's going to be twice as alcoholic as a decent beer and go down like nothing. You will be fine and buzzed one minute, then retarded an/or puking the next. Hangovers with that stuff are terrible. I would not recommend drinking 2 liters in a sitting. 


i drank quite a bit of apple jack and homemade wine my friend had one night about 2 years ago. all i remember is drinking it puking an hour later and waking up the next morning baking in the sun.
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Originally posted by tallen702 tallen702 wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Tallen, what was that stuff my Ex liked from your restaurant?



Magner's Cider I think.

Oh, and Mehs.... that first recipe is worthless. Well, not completely worthless, but you'd be making a really godawful ciser rather than cider.

Also, good meade takes a long time to make with a lot of rather expensive equipment. Stick to boiled apple cider pitched with champagne yeast and maybe a touch of dextrose to give the yeast a kick-start.


Thanks for all of your help tallen, this will for sure weed out any not so good ways of going about making cider. 

So I am thinking of doing it this way:
Going to get a gallon jug of cider from a local orchard (all natural of course), not going to worry about the type of apple for now, it's all just for fun the first few tries...
Purchasing a packet of champagne yeast.
Sterilize the hell out of the jug I'd be using (would you recommend emptying it out, washing out with a splash of bleach/water?).
Dump out enough cider so there's about 2 or so inches from the top.
Cap it, shake it up for about 5 minutes?
uncap it, put in all the yeast?  Or should I use half the packet?  I've seen a few different methods, I am not sure which one to go with...
Put either a piece of plastic wrap with a hole on it for the lock, or a balloon (sterilized too?)
Place it in a dark cool area for about 1 week.
Rack.

????

Profit.

Also, I heard about putting cinnamon sticks in too while it ferments, would you recommend doing this?
I am going to start within about 2-3 weeks when I get back to school, so I am trying to find the best way possible to get some decent tasting cider.


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update with how it turns out. i would have to go upstate to get some decent real cider i think though...shouldnt be too hard though.
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Started it last Thursday, looking great so far!

Left: Simply Apple + half packet of baking yeast + cinnamon sticks

Some off brand cider + half packet of baking yeast + cinnamon sticks + sugar + a few apple slices (green and red apples, don't even know the type)

So far still fermenting, so far still good.  No vinegar yet.

I'll post up the final product.....if I get to it after drinking it. 




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