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    Posted: 26 August 2008 at 7:39am

I'm a bit confused on the "requirement" for some cars to run on premium grade fuel over the standard 87 octane.  Some people tell me yes, some no.  A Mitsubishi mechanic said that using 87 in a 2004 eclipse (which is soppse to run on premium) will only decrease horse power by 2 or 3, and mpg by about the same.

Some of you guys blow my mind with your knowledge of engines and cars so could you please help me out?

 

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I think you can alternate between regular and premium, at least that's what I've been told.
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I'm supposed to run premium in my 99 Bonneville SSEi due to the supercharger but I don't. You can run regular just fine. About the only place you will see a difference between the two is under hard acceleration and maybe a 1-3 mpg drop.
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higher octane fuel is harder to ignite then lower octane, when cars say they require premium thats because they are set up to take advantage of this fact

using regular can result in premature detonation, (also called pinging or knocking, due to the sound it makes) which is not good for your engine.

but cars have knock sensors that detect this and readjust the ignition timing to compensate, which is what results in the slight loss of power/milage.
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Originally posted by adrenalinejunky adrenalinejunky wrote:



but cars have knock sensors that detect this and readjust the ignition timing to compensate, which is what results in the slight loss of power/milage.

This is the key.  Almost all (all?) modern high-compression engines also have sensors that will compensate for lower octane fuel, and the only negative effect is slightly reduced power and mileage.

BUT - on older cars this may not be the case.  Some older cars cannot adjust, and will experience knocking, which can cause a variety of problems.

Bottom line - if your car starts knocking on lower-octane fuel, switch back.  Otherwise you should be fine.

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The kids I had auto tech with kept telling me to do an occasional octane boost in my car, those little 5 dollar bottles you put in the tank.  I just don't know why
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Compression ratios.
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Originally posted by Predatorr Predatorr wrote:

Thread hijack!The kids I had auto tech with kept telling me to do an occasional octane boost in my car, those little 5 dollar bottles you put in the tank.  I just don't know why


octane boost? beats the hell out of me....

using fuel injector cleaner from a good time can be a good idea... but as far as i've ever heard the octane boosters are pretty much worthless.
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Originally posted by adrenalinejunky adrenalinejunky wrote:

Originally posted by Predatorr Predatorr wrote:

Thread hijack!The kids I had auto tech with kept telling me to do an occasional octane boost in my car, those little 5 dollar bottles you put in the tank.  I just don't know why


octane boost? beats the hell out of me....

using fuel injector cleaner from a good time can be a good idea... but as far as i've ever heard the octane boosters are pretty much worthless.


Another thread jack!

I'm working on running through a tank right now with which I used Lucas injector cleaner, so I guess thats good. But are there any other fuel additives that are actually useful? What about oil additives? My car has almost 130,000 miles so anything I can find is pretty useful.
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Octane boosters work if you know how to use them. Just pouring it in your gas won't do crap. Pouring it in your tank and adjusting your timing to match will do something.
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Originally posted by Yomillio Yomillio wrote:

Originally posted by adrenalinejunky adrenalinejunky wrote:

Originally posted by Predatorr Predatorr wrote:

Thread hijack!The kids I had auto tech with kept telling me to do an occasional octane boost in my car, those little 5 dollar bottles you put in the tank.  I just don't know why


octane boost? beats the hell out of me....

using fuel injector cleaner from a good time can be a good idea... but as far as i've ever heard the octane boosters are pretty much worthless.


Another thread jack!

I'm working on running through a tank right now with which I used Lucas injector cleaner, so I guess thats good. But are there any other fuel additives that are actually useful? What about oil additives? My car has almost 130,000 miles so anything I can find is pretty useful.
i use an oil additive every other oil change, i dont realy see a diffrence other than gas milage.
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Originally posted by .357 Magnum .357 Magnum wrote:

Octane boosters work if you know how to use them. Just pouring it in your gas won't do crap. Pouring it in your tank and adjusting your timing to match will do something.


true, but most of them will only raise your octane by .2-.3 points...

plus most modern cars dont have the ability to alter the timing without aftermarket parts.
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Originally posted by Yomillio Yomillio wrote:

Originally posted by adrenalinejunky adrenalinejunky wrote:

Originally posted by Predatorr Predatorr wrote:

Thread hijack!The kids I had auto tech with kept telling me to do an occasional octane boost in my car, those little 5 dollar bottles you put in the tank.  I just don't know why


octane boost? beats the hell out of me....

using fuel injector cleaner from a good time can be a good idea... but as far as i've ever heard the octane boosters are pretty much worthless.


Another thread jack!

I'm working on running through a tank right now with which I used Lucas injector cleaner, so I guess thats good. But are there any other fuel additives that are actually useful? What about oil additives? My car has almost 130,000 miles so anything I can find is pretty useful.


lucas oil stabalizer is good.

some oil additives can actually be bad though, such as ones that use teflon, the little bits can actually clog your oil passages.
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Some boosters will raise it by 10-15. We put some in our schools drag car and bumped the timing. Gas was old but it still works. Speaking of I can't wait until our next race.
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10-15 actuall points or 10-15 "market hyped" points?

a market hyped point is worth 1 tenth of a real point, seriously.
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Originally posted by adrenalinejunky adrenalinejunky wrote:

Originally posted by Yomillio Yomillio wrote:

Originally posted by adrenalinejunky adrenalinejunky wrote:

Originally posted by Predatorr Predatorr wrote:

Thread hijack!The kids I had auto tech with kept telling me to do an occasional octane boost in my car, those little 5 dollar bottles you put in the tank.  I just don't know why


octane boost? beats the hell out of me....

using fuel injector cleaner from a good time can be a good idea... but as far as i've ever heard the octane boosters are pretty much worthless.


Another thread jack!

I'm working on running through a tank right now with which I used Lucas injector cleaner, so I guess thats good. But are there any other fuel additives that are actually useful? What about oil additives? My car has almost 130,000 miles so anything I can find is pretty useful.


lucas oil stabalizer is good.

some oil additives can actually be bad though, such as ones that use teflon, the little bits can actually clog your oil passages.


Heh, I got some of the Lucas oil stabalizer when I got the injector cleaner, too. Just waiting for the next oil change to roll around, and I might do it early because the guy I bought it from did the last oil change with conventional oil and I definitly want synthetic in there.

I also have heard great things about Restore, so I might give that a try.
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octane to hectane ratio
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i have to use 92 octane in my maverick. When i used 87 it ran like crap.

My friend has to use 92 octane in his torino with octane booster because his 408 stroker cant just run off of 92 octane.



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I built my engine for propane, which I run 99% of the time, when I run gasoline, I have to use octane boost with premium or it will knock under acceleration, which is why I hardly ever use gasoline.
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Originally posted by The Guy The Guy wrote:

octane to hectane ratio

Hectane ignites much more readily than octane.
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