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    Posted: 04 August 2009 at 6:20pm
Quite a while back I mentioned that the enviormentalist movement would eventually get down to population control as the answer. Well folks here it is, children have a drastic effect on the carbon footprint, and population control is the answer. American children are the most dangerous to the enviornment to be exact. Eugenics will be next as the envioronmentalist movement will "suggest" which gene pools need to progress, and which need to die out.

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And like many stupid ideas or opinions from all sides of the political spectrum on all issues, it will be discussed by some, debated by a few, ridiculed by many and ignored by most.

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"Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."

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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Eugenics will be next as the envioronmentalist movement will "suggest" which gene pools need to progress, and which need to die out.


Sort of Godwined?
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Throughout history of the great empires of man, when it comes to some form of eugenics each culture/race considers themselves superior, and the wealthy/aristocracy/religious classes within that culture/race more superior than the comman man. Now the envioromentalist have deemed American children undesireable to the needs of the planet, (and I would bet that would exclude thier "superior" children). The fact that this even got exposure and pssibly a little traction in the minds of even a few should be frightening. Remmember "Rainbow 6" the Clancy book, a group of radical scientists and enviornmentalists deciding to rid the planet with a virus, of all human life except for thier own little group, maybe not as fictitious as we may think.

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When I read your response the sound of a jack in the box being cranked played in my head.
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Is it not obvious that high population numbers will increase our impact on the environment? So would it not also be obvious that the converse of this is also true?
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The only reason this is "frightening" to you is because, in your brain, you somehow managed to convince yourself that spreading the word that having less kids is good for the planet is the same as eugenics and ethnic cleansing, despite the fact that the original article states nothing like that.

You've created this falsity in your brain, and have somehow convinced yourself it was true. That is the frightening part.  
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HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHA....

You actually believe that someone not crazy as hell wants to rid the planet of people because of their carbon footprint?
Que pasa?


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Well, when the US creates an army of killer, terminator style robots controlled by the next generation of playstations and xboxs, the world will finally appreciate chubby, game addicted, spoiled American children.

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I think Gene Roddenbury had all this pegged with all the "plots" of the original Star Trek TV series. Eugenics, Climate Change, Over-Population, Race problems, Science over Mankind solutions, kinda interesting.
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The first wave of disinformation aimed at reducing birthrates has already been launched.  Link.
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Blame the mormons
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http://zapatopi.net/afdb/afdbdiagram.pdf
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Originally posted by Eville Eville wrote:

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/afdbdiagram.pdf


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Watch the first five minutes or so of Idiocracy and it will remind you of this statement
 
Originally posted by OS cited Article OS cited Article wrote:

The researchers note that they are not advocating government controls or intervention on population issues, but say they simply want to make people aware of the environmental consequences of their reproductive choices.
 
Honestly, I have no problems with voluntary population control. I realize it is a free country, but do people really need to be popping out 4,5,6+ children? Anyone that can't see the impact of overpopulation needs to have their headgear checked.  It astounds me when people see my wife and I running ragged trying to keep our three girls in check and have the audacity to ask us "when we are going to try for that boy?" Really?


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ITT: OS goes overboard, pretty much invokes Godwin once again, and equates smart reproductive practices as eugenics.

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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Honestly, I have no problems with voluntary population control.


Or even government support in the form of tax exemption/benefits for only having one/two children. You know, positive reinforcement - such a thing does still exist.

OS made it sound as if there will be some roaming death squads killing your infants if you have a second kid.

It's just a fearmongering thing. Same as Limbaugh and the other radio blowhards saying that nationalized health care is just an excuse to euthanize old people. No, really, they actually are saying that. In a non joking manner.
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

It's just a fearmongering thing. Same as Limbaugh and the other radio blowhards saying that nationalized health care is just an excuse to euthanize old people. No, really, they actually are saying that. In a non joking manner.
Where's the problem with this argument? Maybe we need to institute a new law that states you have 10 years from date of retirement to die or be put down. It would solve the Social Security and Medicare woes and keep Americans productive for longer. Maybe if we had some incentive to stay active and in good enough health to work we wouldn't all become couch slugs after retirement waiting to die. It would raise our GDP, lower our health costs, and increase spending as people are trying to tally off their bucket lists.

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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

It's just a fearmongering thing. Same as Limbaugh and the other radio blowhards saying that nationalized health care is just an excuse to euthanize old people. No, really, they actually are saying that. In a non joking manner.
Where's the problem with this argument?


The Floridian economy would crash!

Think about it: Nobody buying bingo markers, Polident or Depends. Nobody dragging their grandkids to Disney. Nobody sending those crappy orange boxes to their grand-nephews in Idaho.

Next step would be the whole thing floating off in the ocean.
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At least the Cubans won't have as far to go in that case, Whale.

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