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    Posted: 18 September 2009 at 2:38pm
Having watched Obama's speech before Congress on his medical care initiative, where he stated "There will be no funding for illegal aliens in this bill" or words to that effect.

Now we find out that his goal now is how to "legalize" the illegal alien population.

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/18/obama-ties-immigration-to-health-care-battle/?feat=home_cube_position1

So in his mind if he legalizes the illegal alien population he did not break his promise. And most of you here will buy into this logic.


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It's a good thing that we don't already pay for illegal aliens when they go to hospitals.

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See, you get it, that "promise" in the speech is as hollow as the individual making it. Just tell the sheeple what they want to here, not what we are actually doing or going to do, they will buy it.
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

It's a good thing that we don't already pay for illegal aliens when they go to hospitals.
And why? I don't get it. If they are illegal, why aren't the put on the next bus/ship/plane out of here and a bill sent to their country for the medical services provided? Seems kind of a no brainer. And if the answer is, "well if we turned them in, they wouldn't seek medical help and die", because I still don't see the problem.
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

And if the answer is, "well if we turned them in, they wouldn't seek medical help and die", because I still don't see the problem.


If you are serious about that bit, then that is what separates you from those with rational thought.


And OS, I agree that it is underhanded, the way he went about. You won't find any backing from me concerning his method there. If you want to include health care to everyone, including aliens, grow a pair and be honest about it.


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Why not just have global health care and not have to worry about if someone is legal or not. Is your money more important that someones life? To some of you it seems to be the case.
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

And if the answer is, "well if we turned them in, they wouldn't seek medical help and die", because I still don't see the problem.


If you are serious about that bit, then that is what separates you from those with rational thought.

So we should give get out of jail free cards for other criminals as well? If I am not mistaken it is against the law to be here illegally isn't it? Please point out the difference.
 
And why is me not wanting my money to be spent on medical bills for people here illegally make me a bad person?
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Because hospitals are more worried about treating a dieing person than figuring out if they are legal or not.
"Yes, sir, I can see you have been shot 7 times, but before we can treat you we need proof that you are here legally.  Sir! being unconscious isn't going to move this along any faster.  Nurse, just go stick him in the waiting room until he decides he wants to talk to us."
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

It's a good thing that we don't already pay for illegal aliens when they go to hospitals.

And why? I don't get it. If they are illegal, why aren't the put on the next bus/ship/plane out of here and a bill sent to their country for the medical services provided? Seems kind of a no brainer. And if the answer is, "well if we turned them in, they wouldn't seek medical help and die", because I still don't see the problem.

I agree, not American = Not human!
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

It's a good thing that we don't already pay for illegal aliens when they go to hospitals.
And why? I don't get it. If they are illegal, why aren't the put on the next bus/ship/plane out of here and a bill sent to their country for the medical services provided? Seems kind of a no brainer. And if the answer is, "well if we turned them in, they wouldn't seek medical help and die", because I still don't see the problem.
  I highlighted it to make it easier for Eville.
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Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

I agree, not American = Not my responsibility.

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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Originally posted by carl_the_sniper carl_the_sniper wrote:

I agree, not American = Not my responsibility.

Fixed.

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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

So we should give get out of jail free cards for other criminals as well? If I am not mistaken it is against the law to be here illegally isn't it? Please point out the difference.


The difference is that one is a theoretical excusing of crime, and the other is medical treatment. It is apples to oranges. Treating an alien is not excusing his or hers activities.

In your world, if someone is hurt while committing a crime, do we not send them to the hospital as well?

Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

[QUOTE=oldpbnoob][QUOTE=agentwhale007]a bill sent to their country for the medical services provided?


And who, from an international relations standpoint, is going to enforce that this bill is paid?

And why bill the country? The birth-nation of the alien didn't want said person to leave in the first place, most likely.


Here is a crazy idea: Why not make it much easier to become a citizen? Then all these people coming to the country who are considered illegal can start paying taxes. Crazy idea, I know.
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

It's a good thing that we don't already pay for illegal aliens when they go to hospitals.

And why? I don't get it. If they are illegal, why aren't the put on the next bus/ship/plane out of here and a bill sent to their country for the medical services provided? Seems kind of a no brainer. And if the answer is, "well if we turned them in, they wouldn't seek medical help and die", because I still don't see the problem.
  I highlighted it to make it easier for Eville.

Yes, because I'm sure the countries that they left for reasons such as healthcare and poverty will be more than happy to foot the bill for them within another country and further neglect the citizens still within theirs...



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Oh, Come on guys...Most people are given a get outta jail free card.  Commit crime, Get arrested, Go to jail, Contact attorney, Go to court, Get out scott free because of some minor screw up ot loop hole.  That ot the judge just feels sorry for the "poor fellow" with 5 DUI's, he didn't mean to do it, doesn't need another one I'll let him go.
People are people.  It doesn't matter if they are legal or not, if you need to go to the hospital.  Just PAY your bill.  I have picked up illegals before just to have them turned loose at the end of the day.  It's all bs.
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why not take them to Canada?
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Soo....
 
If I am camping with my buddies, and we kind of climb a fence into some guy's sweet back yard to pitch our tent instead of sticking to the public grounds - when we get mauled by bears, should the ER decline to treat us because we were there illegally?
 
If I am in an accident caused by my illegally high speed, should the ER decline to treat me?
 
And presumably we must now all carry national IDs to show our eligibility for medical care - forget about clean underwear.  Anybody who can't produce their ID within three days of treatment:  Time to call ICE.
 
Is that about right?

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Originally posted by God God wrote:

Why not just have global health paid for through the UN which gets the majority of its funding from the US anyways? I think not. When the third world does away with open sewers and sleeping with virgins as an AIDs cure, bring that idea up again.care and not have to worry about if someone is legal or not. Is your money more important that someones life?Depends on how much money and whose life.  To some of you it seems to be the case.
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