Why close Gitmo?

Forum, tell me why liberals want to close Gitmo.

From a business mans point of view...

Close it and turn it into a vacation destination. It is US soil, so you could sun in the carrib care free.
and it has a built in airbase if I'm not wrong.

Edit* forgot about the prisoners. They can build it.



Edited by TinMan - 22 October 2009 at 1:03pm

SSOK wrote: ... but you cannot tell me that everyone in Gitmo is innocent.

What does that have to do with the criticism that people are being held who are innocent?

Also, nobody that I am aware of is supportive of letting everyone there free. Far from it. The consensus for closing it supports moving the prisoners to a maximum-security prison in the states. As Jon Stewart has joked, these people are not warlocks.

My opinion on the topic stems from my belief that if we are going to detain someone, we either need to charge them with something in a real court or let them go. The problem is that the location of Gitmo has been keeping them from getting actual legal procedure.

If they were to be held int he U.S., the process of trying them as criminals - and subsequently getting them out of this in-between situation - could begin.

God wrote: Give them a trial and if they are indeed guilty, stick them in a federal prison. The Federal Prison System is good enough for home grown extremist terrorists, it will do just fine locking up non home grown extremist terrorism. All the scare tactics used by some to justify that there is a need for these "extremist terrorists" to be locked up in Gitmo is not because, if convicted, these detainees would cause terror from within a federal prison but Gitmo is just an attempt to create a loophole to prevent these detainees from being given due process because they are not being held on US soil.

Besides, how long do you think these suspected terrorists will last in the company of our convicted felons?

Yea, moving a suspected terrorist to a max security prison might as well be a death sentence...

Rofl_Mao wrote: Why the hell would terrorists deserve a fair trial? Thats like giving Hitler a trial.

Get out of my country.

Frozen Balls wrote: Rofl_Mao wrote: Why the hell would terrorists deserve a fair trial? Thats like giving Hitler a trial. Get out of my country.

ooohhhhhooo lmfao feisty!

Edit: also, I don't think a person who is attempting to kill hundreds should be allowed to live, because if they are given a "fair" trial in our court system they would be set free with lack of evidence and then go right back to what they were doing before: making bombs and crap.


Edited by Rofl_Mao - 22 October 2009 at 4:23pm

SUSPECTED terrorists, thats the bloody point of having a trial. I never thought it was such a difficult concept. Should I just be allowed to say "Rofl Mao robbed my house and stole my stuff" and you just get locked up for a year, no chance to defend yourself?

except they would be put in protective custody, but whatev.  

SSOK wrote: I do not support the unfair treatment of innocent individuals

I have a question before I answer your initial one: How can you support unfair treatment to those who are guilty, then? If the treatment is unfair, then, to use a tautology, it isn't fair, and the individual should not be treated that way.

As to why Gitmo should be closed down, I think it should be shut down because it is a giant symbol for why people dislike the US, and it only garners more support for the very extremists we are trying to neutralize. It also alienates us from our allies and other developed nations, which does no foreseeable good. 

And it's not even a high security prison.

Rofl_Mao wrote: Edit: also, I don't think a person who is attempting to kill hundreds should be allowed to live, because if they are given a "fair" trial in our court system they would be set free with lack of evidence and then go right back to what they were doing before: making bombs and crap.

If there is no evidence, on what grounds to you make the claim they are a terrorist? The color of their skin? Their religion? Name? Their misfortune of being detained in Gitmo?

oldsoldier wrote: Just put them in GP at FCI Lewisburg, USP Lewisburg, USP leavenworth, USP Atlanta and the problem will self correct in a matter of days. Will save a lot of taxpayer money on trials, lawyers, etc. The Aryan Brotherhood, The Family, and a few other groups need target practice, to vent thier frustrations, and assist in the Defense of America. The Italian Family members I met while a Marshall are fiercly protective of America, the fight among themselvs, but attack America, the will "make them an offer they can not refuse." And lets see how arrogant Achmed is his first day on the rec-yard.

Strange that you, a self-proclaimed constitutionalist, have no problem practically advocating vigilante justice instead of ensuring the rights guaranteed to all people by the US constitution.