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    Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:29am


"I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds."

But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice.

We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.

But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom.

We cannot walk alone.

And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead.

We cannot turn back.

There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their self-hood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating: "For Whites Only." We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until "justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."¹

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. And some of you have come from areas where your quest -- quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed.

Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends.

And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of "interposition" and "nullification" -- one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today!

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight; "and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together."2

This is our hope, and this is the faith that I go back to the South with.

With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith, we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

And this will be the day -- this will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning:

My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing.

Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrim's pride,

From every mountainside, let freedom ring!

And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true.

And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire.

Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York.

Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania.

Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Colorado.

Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California.

But not only that:

Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia.

Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee.

Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi.

From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

And when this happens, when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual:

                Free at last! Free at last!

                Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!
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I find it strange to think about events and movements such as the Civil Rights era actually happening. I mean, it really wasn't that long ago that a huge segment of the population couldn't use the same bathrooms, but I feel so far removed from it, it seems crazy that it actually happened.

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I often wonder if the gay community will ever be able to organize collectively the way that the black community did in the 60s. 
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

I often wonder if the gay community will ever be able to organize collectively the way that the black community did in the 60s. 
Yeah, that too. I don't know though. I think things are changing without any kinds of mass boycotts or protests. Trust me, I genuinely support gay rights and equality, but I don't see the repression as being comparable really to what black folks were being faced with. There just isn't enough motivation in that regard.

Not trying to say that gay people are being treated equally right now, but every gay person I ever knew (and I've been close friends with a few by now) just doesn't seem to care that much about it. The discrimination they face isn't so much on a systemic level, it's more isolated incidents.

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I guess what I'm trying to say is that the battle that gay people face is one of acceptance more than civil rights.
Of course, I could be completely wrong, since these are just conclusions that I've drawn myself.




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Originally posted by Benjichang Benjichang wrote:

Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

I often wonder if the gay community will ever be able to organize collectively the way that the black community did in the 60s. 
Yeah, that too. I don't know though. I think things are changing without any kinds of mass boycotts or protests. Trust me, I genuinely support gay rights and equality, but I don't see the repression as being comparable really to what black folks were being faced with. There just isn't enough motivation in that regard.

Not trying to say that gay people are being treated equally right now, but every gay person I ever knew (and I've been close friends with a few by now) just doesn't seem to care that much about it. The discrimination they face isn't so much on a systemic level, it's more isolated incidents.


Benji is spot on, there's no way to even compare the civil rights movement of King's time to gay rights.
 
Basically emphasizing what he said, the key difference is that the majority of discrimination that homosexuals face is on an individual scale. In that respect, only time and progress will fix that, you can't force tolerance.
 
But the government endorsed discrimination-endorsed and enforced them. There isn't a person alive in this country, in our era, that can even attempt to understand that kind of life.
 
And I've thought about just how recent that time was as well-it's just a shame that now many people have twisted King's dream into partisan politics and the self-serving agendas of power hungry individuals.
 
Thanks for posting the speech, I probably wouldn't have taken time to read it on my own. Amazing stuff from an amazing person.
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

But the government endorsed discrimination-endorsed and enforced them.



I completely understand that the level of discrimination is different. However, to say that the government doesn't endorse discrimination against gays is incorrect, looking at the bans on gay marriage in most states. 
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I should clarify-I'm not saying that the government in no way endorses discrimination, I just feel the issues that affect the gay community are far more complex and less black and white than, say, voting rights, or the rights to employment and public services.

That aside, I think we're basically in agreement, it just hits a sore spot with me because I do know alot of homosexual individuals that do, and often do on top of that, compare their struggle to the civil rights movement. It just burns me a little, especially after looking back on the prison that african american people were forced to live in for a very long time.
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I think in order to properly honor MLK, we should outlaw affirmative action type policies and the practice of lowering standards in order to acheive perceived equality.  A level playing field is true equality. Allowing those that are not able to compete fairly to step over those that have truly worked to acheive their goals is unfair to both sides.
 
 
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I think MLK would be dissappointed in the amount of discrimination against whites in todays society. The discrimination of colored people during the 1960's transferred into whites not having as many oppourtunities today, the opposite of what MLK aimed for. Little black boys and little white boys can play together on the playground and use the same waterfountain, but when it comes to jobs and college the playground isnt so colorblind anymore.
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I think MLK would be disappointed that so few people know he was a registered republican...
 
 
 
"I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.""
 
 
 
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who cares what party he supported?
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Well... considering Martin Luther King is by far the most famous black American...
 
I find it interesting.
 
especially when you consider this:
 
The United States Census reported that 58 % of African Americans were voting in the presidential election of 1964. African Americans were voting Democratic 82% of the time. This number would swell to 92 % by 1968.

Read more at Suite101: African American Voting Patterns: Black Voting Demographics 2008 Democratic Primary Statistics http://racism-politics.suite101.com/article.cfm/african_american_voting_patterns#ixzz0czsHub4s
 
For him to be held as the standard, and then the voters going the opposite direction, voting for the party that was trying to restrict their freedom, and the party opposed to civil rights...
 
 
I find it interesting, so I guess I care...


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Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Well... considering Martin Luther King is by far the most famous black American...
 
I find it interesting.
 
especially when you consider this:
 
The United States Census reported that 58 % of African Americans were voting in the presidential election of 1964. African Americans were voting Democratic 82% of the time. This number would swell to 92 % by 1968.

Read more at Suite101: African American Voting Patterns: Black Voting Demographics 2008 Democratic Primary Statistics http://racism-politics.suite101.com/article.cfm/african_american_voting_patterns#ixzz0czsHub4s
 
For him to be held as the standard, and then the voters going the opposite direction, voting for the party that was trying to restrict their freedom, and the party opposed to civil rights...
 
 
I find it interesting, so I guess I care...

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I wonder how many more roads/streets/avenues were renamed today to MLK Blvd today...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote agentwhale007 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2010 at 10:32pm
Originally posted by SSOK SSOK wrote:

I think MLK would be dissappointed in the amount of discrimination against whites in todays society.


This may be the most hilariously absurd thing said on the forum. I love it.
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