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    Posted: 21 January 2010 at 11:22am
Well, well, well, it looks like 2010 will be a very interesting year for campaigns. The democrats will have the full force of the free enterprise system to deal with instead of just the 'MSM' who have shown to be on board with the party line.
 
 
 
What do you guys think, good idea, or bad?
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Does it really matter in the end?

Don't they end up giving pretty much whatever they want anyways currently?

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It leaves in place a prohibition on direct contributions to candidates from corporations and unions.


Looks like this just means we are going to have more campaign commercials and robo-calls smearing the other candidate.  YAY!
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I think it undermines the ideal and system of representation we have in this country, and will put forth more evidence that there is a struggle between the fundamental ideas of capitalism and democracy. I'm against this for obvious reasons like government in pocket of big business/labor unions and whatnot, but I'd like to read the assenting/dissenting opinions given by the court. 
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Bad idea
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This is a step in the wrong direction. Why would they do this? Do we really need another Dubya? The man won with his money alone in 2000. Campaign financing needed to be reformed and financing needed to be capped. This is putting more money into campaigns.


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Still trying to wrap my head around how they BS'd their way into making Corporations citizens for this purpose.

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What is sad is how easily you guys give away your freedom of speech rights.

 
Look at the facts. Who owns NBC CBS NBC MSNBC?
 
Large corporations.
 
Hmm, that's weird, so some corporations were allowed to push their agenda, but other corporations that didn't own large broadcast companies... They were limited on their input in elections.
 
Remember, Obama just won as a centrist candidate. And some knew he was a serious leftist, but other than fox news, they were ignored.
 
The MSM owned by the left controlled the message, just like they are doing with Kevin Jennings. If the public knew what this guy was about, they would be outraged.
 
All this does is allow corporations (run by private citizens) to spend THEIR own money as they see fit.
 
Which is called FREEDOM. If they spend too much trying to manipulate and push their agenda they will go out of business (air america?...)
 
Why should Obama be allowed to accept internet donations without proof of "who" was donating? That is much worse than this, as it was breaking the "rules" and winning an election by getting his union friends, and internationals who wanted to influence to donate online where it wouldn't be tracked.
 
Now there is a fair balance.
 
 
But, many of you don't like it...
 
Guess freedom of speech is only for views you like, as usual.
 
Silence the critics.
 
 
 
That isn't an American viewpoint...


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What the hell are you even talking about? Why do you end all of your post with some vague rambling? You didn't silence anybody, stop being crazy.
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sneaky... Read my post slower, and you might see what I was talking about.
 
Here is a good article about the ruling and effects.
 
 
I'm glad that the SCOTUS got this one right, this is "change" we can believe in. This will make the playing field level. And that will mean the truth will start to come out, instead of the spin that the campaigns put out that is parroted by the MSM.
 
This will have more of an effect on politics than anything in our lifetimes. I can see why Obama hates this ruling, and wants to stop it. Imaging if all the back room deals he has made in the past year and payouts to his causes became public knowledge...
 
holy cow...
 
 
 
 
one and done.


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I read your post twice FE, you didn't silence anybody, and we aren't trying to silence anybody, so I still have no idea what you are talking about.
 
How exactly do you imagine that letting large corporation's take over politics is going to expand upon our freedoms? Obviously they wont spend all of their money to get someone elected, causing bankruptcy. On the other hand, its an investment. They'll pull for whatever candidate is going to benefit business and profits, and thats the bottom line.
 
Also... This gem
"Guess freedom of speech is only for views you like, as usual."
seems a little odd from the guy who was outraged that the terrorist suspects were given lawyers and a day in court. First of all, I'm not really sure how this over ruling has enhanced free speech to begin with, but even if it has - are YOU really the person to be whining about flip flopping, and only supporting ideals when it suits our liking?
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Foreign Terrorists are still not AMERICAN citizens. That is a major difference, your inability to see that is obvious. But, the difference is there.
 
If someone is attacking your country they are an enemy combatant. If the terrorist had blown up the plane, (full of people he didn't know, but was attacking the USA). Why would you give him AMERICAN rights?...
 
He should be tried in military court. Period. Anything else damages America's ability to protect itself, as they have to put out there for anyone to see exactly how they "keep us safe"...
 
All of that should be kept private for obvious reasons.
 
This is a different issue. The left wants to silence the right, if you are saying you don't believe that, then what was all the "fairness doctrine" about?
 
Do you really think that PBS is fair and balanced?
 
How about MSM?
 
Remember, I have posted the actual studies that prove my position many times...
 
 


All this does is level the playing field. Instead of the left silencing the critics like they are so apt to do (kevin jennings...) this stuff will get out to the general citizen where they can make a decision based on two sides of an arguement instead of being spoonfed only ONE side...
 
Kind of like your education, where they focused everything on evolution, while ignoring and belittling Creation...
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Foreign Terrorists are still not AMERICAN citizens. That is a major difference, your inability to see that is obvious. But, the difference is there.
 
If someone is attacking your country they are an enemy combatant. If the terrorist had blown up the plane, (full of people he didn't know, but was attacking the USA). Why would you give him AMERICAN rights?...
 
Because obviously there is a differance in being human, and being American.
 
He should be tried in military court. Period. Anything else damages America's ability to protect itself, as they have to put out there for anyone to see exactly how they "keep us safe"...
 
All of that should be kept private for obvious reasons.
 
Explain to me how this is obvious?
 
This is a different issue. The left wants to silence the right, if you are saying you don't believe that, then what was all the "fairness doctrine" about?
 
Oh, I don't dissagree with you there, and no I don't support it. But I have no idea how you think letting major corperations, who are after their own interests has anything to do with this statement.
 
Do you really think that PBS is fair and balanced?
 
How about MSM?
 
Again, I don't dissagree here. There is no unbias major news media. Which is why I don't watch any of them.
 
Remember, I have posted the actual studies that prove my position many times...
 
Proved your positions in your own mind. You've yet to convince anyone else. (save for maybe O.S.)


All this does is level the playing field. Instead of the left silencing the critics like they are so apt to do (kevin jennings...) this stuff will get out to the general citizen where they can make a decision based on two sides of an arguement instead of being spoonfed only ONE side...
 
How does Major Corperations hoping to serve its own interests equate to good ol' 'Merican 'publicans! in your world? While I'm sure the buisness world is predominantly republican, that doesn't mean they are after the same goals as you are.
 
Kind of like your education, where they focused everything on evolution, while ignoring and belittling Creation...
 
You're right, the 10.5 years I spent in christians schools shoved evolution down my throat and belittled god at every corner. Obviously me going to bible class 5 days a week, and then church on sundays, was a ploy to get me to support Darwin.
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Here let me give you a practicle example that is current.

 
As of right now, Obama has taken over GM, and Chrysler. He has restricted their pay, and given the unions stock ownership of Chrysler. He has given the banks money, and now he wants to control those banks...
 
He is using feigned "public outrage" over the income of these bankers to destroy their business.
 
They have no where to turn. They make money off the market by buying and selling stocks, which they use that income to offset things that don't make them as much money.
 
Like your free checking account.
 
Why do you think the bank does that? Because they love to give stuff away?... Nope, they want more customers, and figure that by doing that for free, you might get your next loan from them. They offset the cost of these free checking accounts by the money they make off the stock market.
 
But, if Obama gets his way and forces them to shut down those investment institutions. Guess what. Your free ride will end, and you will start paying the actual cost of that checking account. (around $24 a month).
 
 
That is the "cost" of doing business, which currently is offset by the business system they built.
 
 
Which our "great" leader is trying to destroy. Guess what. NOW they can put ads on tv telling you the truth about this takeover attempt.
 
 
 
 
And this isn't the only one. We are about one major decision away from all of our college loans, and grants coming from the government... Control, deciding WHO gets loans and grants for education... I would love to see what criteria that will turn to in the future...
 
 
wake up and smell the liberal takeover, and destruction of your rights, while opening up our country to more attacks from terrorists... Where exactly is the "hope and change"?...
 
More like "Hubris and Control".
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My bad, I forgot you mentioned you went to Christian schools.

 
My point was more general, as most people are public educated, at some point in their lives. Plus the fact that just about every show on tv takes evolution as fact, and refers to it in any discussion pertaining to history.
 
"Well, Billions of years ago..."
 
As a human, I find it humorous that humans are arrogant enough to say without doubt that things are much older than the human race. When the weren't there so how can they know? Especially when they put so much stock in rocks, that can be generated in a few hours time during a volcanic eruption that when tested "prove" that, the rock is millions of years old, instead of the truth that it is a new rock.
 
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I get what FE is saying, and really I don't see the problem with corporations fincancing COMMERCIALS, not candidates. The commercials will be as imformative as the liberal or conservative network that is broadcasting it.

As long as money isn't going directly to the politicians, what's the issue with a corporation spending/donating money in a way they see fit?
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