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    Posted: 22 April 2010 at 10:26am

Read this story from Mondays paper. Am I the only one that is reading this as the writer having sympathy for illegal aliens not being able to find work and waxing sophmoric about how hard their lives are? I thought it was illegal to hire illegals?

 
Am I missing something?
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I was reading the tax laws for SC and apparently, I'm supposed to tell the government how much I paid my undocumented lawn care providers. I'm not sure how I declare Tecate?

It is truly bizarre that you are not supposed to pay 'under the table' and then on the form they have a place to report what you paid under the table to illegals. Why not ask me how much I sped last year too?



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It is funny, with todays unemployment rate, and the Dems promise to support the American worker, thier plan is to legalize upwards of 20million ne workers to compete for the fewer jobs available.

American National Soveriegnty and National Culture is seen as commiting a crime, this multicultural thing is backfiring. It is wrong to tout American values, yet there are communities in the United States that are just enclaves of Mexico, Honduras, Guatamala, etc, maintaining thier culture and rejecting any Americanization.

The illegal labor market is just increasing the economic problems for American citizens. Having seen how Hormel and IBP use illegals for about 30days, let em go and then 'hire' another batch, keeps the actual American workforce in the area out of the market. And the Home Depot, Menards, Lowes hiring wars, as illegals try and sell themselves to do your project, or pile into a contractors pick up, while licensed union labor is still trying to find work, is the consumers fault, not the illegals. Cheap prices are good till there is no one out there with a job that pays enough to purchase your product or service, then we have a serious problem.
A round up at Home Depot's across the country will fill a few busses to Mexico daily. And then to hear the Mexican Government complain about our immagration policy while thiers at thier Southern border is 10X as bad, with holding pens, rapes, extortion, and all sanctioned by the local Hefe.
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I think that the economic instabilities of the past several years have forced Americans to take jobs that were considered fit for immigrants just a few years prior. I've noticed that there has been an increase in the number of whites working at the local fast food joints and manual labor jobs in the greater DC area.

That said, the so-called discrimination in the work place that this journalist is writing about is the legal mandate set forth by our government that employees must have verifiable documents to be allowed to work. No documents, no job. Visibly forged documents? No job. etc. etc.
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Originally posted by JohnnyHopper JohnnyHopper wrote:

I was reading the tax laws for SC and apparently, I'm supposed to tell the government how much I paid my undocumented lawn care providers. I'm not sure how I declare Tecate?

It is truly bizarre that you are not supposed to pay 'under the table' and then on the form they have a place to report what you paid under the table to illegals. Why not ask me how much I sped last year too?



In saving this picture, I noticed the name was "KKK23.jpg".  Just how many KKK pictures do you have?  Confused
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So you cross into a country in violation of established law, get pissed be ask you to speak the predominate language, then expect pity because they won't hire you?

Wow. Guess I'm just a cruel bastard.
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

So you cross into a country in violation of established law, get pissed be ask you to speak the predominate language, then expect pity because they won't hire you?

Wow. Guess I'm just a cruel bastard.


So cruel.  Go back to kicking puppies and whipping the workers in your fields.

Seriously, illegals get no pity from me.  They went through a lot of effort to get here, and I can respect that.  But I'm all for deporting them (and I mean actually deporting them, not pulling what that crazy sheriff in Texas or Arizona or whatever was doing).
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

So you cross into a country in violation of established law, get pissed be ask you to speak the predominate language, then expect pity because they won't hire you?

Wow. Guess I'm just a cruel bastard.
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Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:


Just how many KKK pictures do you have?  Confused


Fewer than Senator Byrd, I hope :)


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Originally posted by JohnnyHopper JohnnyHopper wrote:

Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:


Just how many KKK pictures do you have?  Confused


Fewer than Senator Byrd, I hope :)


(I ganked the file off the interwebs and didn't rename it. It's not out of my family album)



Bob Byrd doesn't have KKK pictures.... He's got woodcuts and lithographs! *cymbal crash*
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Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

So you cross into a country in violation of established law, get pissed be ask you to speak the predominate language, then expect pity because they won't hire you?

Wow. Guess I'm just a cruel bastard.


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Originally posted by Mack Mack wrote:

Originally posted by stratoaxe stratoaxe wrote:

So you cross into a country in violation of established law, get pissed be ask you to speak the predominate language, then expect pity because they won't hire you?

Wow. Guess I'm just a cruel bastard.


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Wait, I'm confused.

Why should we be letting them in the country?  The process is difficult for a reason.  That reason is that government bureaucracy is awful.  Besides that, there are legitimate economic reasons for excluding people, especially unskilled people, from immigrating.
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I have no problem with attempting to fix the system. The problem is that just because the law is flawed doesn't mean you can bypass it altogether.

And before the comparisons are drawn, this is absolutely nothing like "direct action" MLK style civil disobedience. This is a matter of national security-illegal immigration on the scale that we see it undermines the entire system.
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The system is flawed, yes, but that is not an excuse to let someone do actions that fly in the face of our nations laws as a "screw you, I'm more important than your laws".


What's funny is with the law Arizona just passed, Mexico's senate passed a resolution demanding it get repealed. So obviously a foreign country, who is totally f'ed up on their own behalf with out of control drug crime, thinks they have the right to demand of us to change our laws AND allow their citizens in to our country illegally, against our will.


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Originally posted by ParielIsBack ParielIsBack wrote:

Wait, I'm confused.

Why should we be letting them in the country?  The process is difficult for a reason.  That reason is that government bureaucracy is awful. 
 
You're confused?  I'm confused.  Are you saying that we made it difficult to immigrate because bureaucracy is awful?
 
That doesn't seem like a very good reason...
 
Quote Besides that, there are legitimate economic reasons for excluding people, especially unskilled people, from immigrating.
 
Really?  The market apparently doesn't think so.  If it were otherwise, there wouldn't be such excellent economic opportunities for illegals.
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

The system is flawed, yes, but that is not an excuse to let someone do actions that fly in the face of our nations laws as a "screw you, I'm more important than your laws".

 
That's a rather broad brush you are painting illegal aliens with, there...
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Originally posted by Ben Grimm Ben Grimm wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

The system is flawed, yes, but that is not an excuse to let someone do actions that fly in the face of our nations laws as a "screw you, I'm more important than your laws".

 

That's a rather broad brush you are painting illegal aliens with, there...
Nope, not really. They aren't called "illegal aliens" because we allow them to do it...

Listen, I empathize for them as some come from pretty bad conditions. But what makes them more right, or more deserving, of living here than someone who tries to come the correct way?


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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Originally posted by Ben Grimm Ben Grimm wrote:

Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

The system is flawed, yes, but that is not an excuse to let someone do actions that fly in the face of our nations laws as a "screw you, I'm more important than your laws".

 

That's a rather broad brush you are painting illegal aliens with, there...
Nope, not really. They aren't called "illegal aliens" because we allow them to do it...

Listen, I empathize for them as some come from pretty bad conditions. But what makes them more right, or more deserving, of living here than someone who tries to come the correct way?

 
Yes really.  I suspect that most illegals aren't thinking anything along the lines of "screw you, I'm more important than your laws."  Certainly not all.  Not even close.  Illegals are a varied group.  Your statement is  just objectively false.  Hence, broad brush.
 
Nor do I think anybody (at least not very many) is arguing that illegals are more deserving than others - rather that many illegals are no less deserving.
 
 
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Originally posted by Linus Linus wrote:

Mexico's senate passed a resolution demanding it get repealed. So obviously a foreign country, who is totally f'ed up on their own behalf with out of control drug crime, thinks they have the right to demand of us to change our laws AND allow their citizens in to our country illegally, against our will.


That makes sense.
 
 
Because the US Congress has never passed any resolution condemning the domestic activities of other countries...
 
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