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    Posted: 01 October 2010 at 5:57pm
This is a model, and does not represent today's costs............just a representation of a bussiness model. Lets say its 1925 for the nit pickers.

I own a Golf course, employing 25 caddies, in determining my fee's I decide on a green fee of $2.00. Breakdown of costs per round of golf breaks down to $.25 for all taxes, $.50 for maintenence, $.20 for mortgage, $.05 profit to me, and $1.00 per to labor costs (caddies).

I average 200 rounds of golf a day as a customer base. Caddies recieve $8.00 per day each in pay and benifits.

The Government come in and raises my labor cost to a minimum of $2.00 per hour for a living wage. I am now forced to raise my greens fee to $3.00 to maintain.

I now average 100 rounds of golf a day as the higher price forces customers to shop for cheaper greens fees elsewhere. Caddies still get $8.00 per day but my profit and cost repay is cut in half. I can not make mortgage or taxes.

A Union comes in and tells my caddies that they are worth $5.00 an hour, I am forced to agree to this new labor cost. My new greens fee is now $6.00 per round.

I now average only 25 rounds of golf per day as my costs have now forced my customers to find another cheaper course or another hobby.
Caddies get $5.00 and I the bussiness am on the verge of bankruptcy.

I finally sit down and try to save my bussiness, what is the only cost that I can control? Of course labor. I take out a small loan, purchase 25 golf carts and let go my caddies.

Now I am back to a $2.00 greens fee, my $.05 profit, and $1.00 to repay loan on golf carts and eventually an excess to either repay the debt I owe as a bussiness, expand the course or pocket another $.50 profit, and invest the other $.50.

Now comes the fun part, I am immediately called evil 'rich' because I exploited my workers and let them go, yet no blame goes to the government or unions that were the true cause of this.

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I hate it when that happens.
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"Here's something that is completely unrealistic and irrelevant to today.  I'm not going to make a point about it, but here is a scenario."
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So how come the competitors are not expericing the exact same thing? Its not like the customers are going to travel to China to play a round of cheap golf.

If the customer really wants it then they will pay. Who granted any rights to having a successful business? If you dont want to fight to be profitable, then get a desk job.

Despite the apparent governments best efforts, there are still businessmen getting rich.
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Maybe my competitors already had golf carts, as I tried to keep people employed.
Service industries and hobby industries are very competitive and the margines are way too close to be 'fair' to all emploees and still continue to operate. The batting cage/driving range here in the area announced they are totally done 15 Oct, and I wonder why? Not like there were two or three to chose from. The Soccer Hall of Fame is done, Cooperstown Baseball Camp took a massive loss this year since attendence was way down. Taxes are going up in NY, Labor costs too much, and Oneonta is turning into a ghost town, other than the Bars and Pizza joints supporting the students of the two colleges.

The point is anymore the only varible in the model that can be controled by the employer is labor costs. Taxes go up, nature of the beast.


Right now here in the NY area I am in a local bussiness that employed 500 layed off almost 200 and finds it cheaper to operate paying overtime than pay full pay and benifits to another set of 40hr employees. So 300 have survived so far 200 are out work, but for how long?
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Welcome to the recession. 
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Businesses don't function like governments, and visa-versa. 

Edited by agentwhale007 - 01 October 2010 at 10:43pm
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Originally posted by oldsoldier oldsoldier wrote:

Maybe my competitors already had golf carts, as I tried to keep people employed.


Any business that seeks to act altruistically is by default acting in a manner not purely motivated my maximizing profit, and places itself at a competitive disadvantage. A certain amount of this is normal and even commendable, but if a business makes itself uncompetitive by voluntarily assuming unnecessary costs, it doesn't deserve to survive, and gains no sympathy from me. A business can choose to automate. It can choose to use non-union employees- or it can choose to treat its employees well enough that they feel no need to unionize.

This is simply a combination of a large number of supply/demand relationships. If two businesses exist in the same market and one does a better job of maximizing profit, it will grow and thrive.

I'm not sure whether you're looking for some kind of sympathy on this one, but you're not getting it. In tough times a business may have to choose between employing half as many people, or folding and not employing any of them at all. The individual who has risked his or her capital to start a business is perfectly entitled to make cutthroat cost benefit decisions in order to get a return on their investment.

I do agree that taxes hurt business, and that lower taxes result in a bigger pie for everyone to share from. But I won't cry for businesses that fail, because that's the basic premise of a free market. You can succeed or fail based on your own merits and your adaptability to markets and to such other constraints as shall present themselves, be they taxes, labour disputes, or what have you. If you fail, you learn from it and either try again and do it better, or leave business to those better suited for it.




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Wow,right over the heads. So much for 'out of the box' thinking. Keep demonizing the rich as your handlers in today's education system and media tell you to do. Just try and start your own bussiness and see how your model holds up.
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I'm sorry, where have you ever seen me ''demonize the rich'? On the contrary, I applaud those whose enterprise brings them success. Hell, my girlfriend's family own a small independent business, and have withstood large chain competitors. Western society is partly based on the success of such individuals. I simply don't extend pity where it's not due. Our system on incorporation, credit, and bankruptcy is set up to allow individuals to aim for success and to risk and absorb failure and have the chance to try again.

Do not think for a second that I bear I'll will to business or to wealth. Both drive our economy.
"Abortion is not "choice" in America. It is forced and the democrats are behind it, with the goal of eugenics at its foundation."

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