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    Posted: 28 November 2010 at 4:48pm
So I'm sure many of you heard about this going to happen, and today it did: Wikileaks released essentially the un-edited opinions and actions of the USA. For the last few days the US has been sending out diplomats to brief their allys on what to expect, fearing backlash/ being pretty redfaced for a while.

One link, google wikileaks for a TON more
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I really think this is  unacceptable. Though no doubt many people here are going to applaud their actions.
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I've not read the whole article just yet, but from the sound of things. So I may alter this statement when I get the chance to read it, but I don't sympathize much for the government when it chooses to make questionable decisions in the hopes that it stays a secret.
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It strikes me as being a bit douchey. Not really any real need for this info to come out especially not the way it did. How the hell do you "leak" that much info anyway?

From what I've seen there will probably be some pretty serious consequences.
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I wholeheartedly disagree with this.

While I could understand the motive behind the whole helicopter attack video released a few months back, this is wreckless in my opinion. It makes me question whether Assange is an "information activist" or an "information terrorist"-and I realize I'll probably be flamed for that.
 
For a loose comparison, this is like hearing your friend say something bad about another friend's wife and then posting it on his Facebook. Only, of course, this isn't FB, it's the free world.
 
Originally posted by _sneaky_ _sneaky_ wrote:

I don't sympathize much for the government when it chooses to make questionable decisions in the hopes that it stays a secret. 
 
While some of this is legitimately slimey stuff, other things strike me as being psych profiles on the leaders of other nations. Why is that information the US shouldn't have? And why does anyone need to know that?
 
I'm not going to throw down total condemnation on WikiLeaks, I really do try to abstain from that as of late. I do my best to let these things play out, and more often than not my opinion is changed. But it really rubs me as wreckless.
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For sure he is an information terrorist. He wants the gov'ts of the world to recognize that in the future there will be transparency whether they like it or not. This is the way the world is heading and he is at the head of the movement. I think (hope) his goal is to have the world become a more diplomatic place, where all governments are upfront with their people and their intentions. And when this happens we will be able to rid the governments of all the slimeballs because all their wrongdoings have been exposed.

At least, thats what i hope happens. I'm an idealist. In the real world, Assange is just an asshole who is leaking sensitive information that is meant to embarrass people in power, and no real changes will come from this.
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Originally posted by NiQ-Toto NiQ-Toto wrote:

For sure he is an information terrorist. He wants the gov'ts of the world to recognize that in the future there will be transparency whether they like it or not. This is the way the world is heading and he is at the head of the movement. I think (hope) his goal is to have the world become a more diplomatic place, where all governments are upfront with their people and their intentions. And when this happens we will be able to rid the governments of all the slimeballs because all their wrongdoings have been exposed.

At least, thats what i hope happens. I'm an idealist. In the real world, Assange is just an asshole who is leaking sensitive information that is meant to embarrass people in power, and no real changes will come from this.
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Interesting tweet of the day:



A bit of an oversimplification, but funny timing.
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Originally posted by __sneaky__ __sneaky__ wrote:

As a fellow Idealist, I really liked your post till you decided to bring in your silly "realism." Why don't you just go kick a puppy too!? Cry
Sorry man, I really hope that actual changes come from this type of stuff, i just believe that the pockets of those at the top are too well padded for anything meaningful to happen without a violent takeover of some kind. A bit dramatic i know, but it's what i think we are leading up to if the richest people in our country dont recognize that they are hurting the majority more and more every damn day.
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I'll bring up again the fun irony that everyone seemed to love WikiLeaks when they were exposing the bad things China, Russia and North Korea were doing behind closed doors.

That spotlight looks pretty when you're not under it. Then, it gets awfully warm.
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

I'll bring up again the fun irony that everyone seemed to love WikiLeaks when they were exposing the bad things China, Russia and North Korea were doing behind closed doors.

That spotlight looks pretty when you're not under it. Then, it gets awfully warm.
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/waits for some brake lines to get cut
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Originally posted by usafpilot07 usafpilot07 wrote:

/waits for some brake lines to get cut


This has been said before, but I really don't expect anything to happen to Assange.

He's posted things from the Russian government before without repercussion. And that is a country that will blatantly poison a journalist for questioning Putin.


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It will be a good good day when Assagne either A) Gets thrown in jail for the supposed rapes, B) Gets thrown in jail for these leaks, or C) Car falls off the cliff.


I'd be content with all 3.   

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Linus, i respectfully disagree. What his org is doing is the new generation of checks and balances. As long as there is an outlet for this information, it should be released to keep the politicians clean.
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I honestly don't see why several of you dislike the guy so much. He's not the one making these decisions, or leaking the information. Seriously, if the person who leaked this stuff, wanted it to get out, there are anywhere from dozens, to hundreds of media outlets who would be more than happy to slap this on their front page or in their broadcast.

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Originally posted by NiQ-Toto NiQ-Toto wrote:

Linus, i respectfully disagree. What his org is doing is the new generation of checks and balances. As long as there is an outlet for this information, it should be released to keep the politicians clean.


Drink the kool-aid much? I fail to see how what they do is a check OR balance. Is it a check and balance when they doctor the footage to meet their political goals like they did with the helicopter footage? What are they keeping in check by releasing sensitive materials about ongoing situations? Seriously, this has NOTHING to do with keeping politicians clean, this is a man who is manipulating the system to get his 15 minutes in the sun. What happens when he leaks information that gets an informant, or troops killed.* If he wants to promote a cleaned up political system, why isn't he operating a watchdog group that is pouring over the account statements of POLITICIANS, instead of revealing where we have spies, what government members asses other leaders as, etc.



Seems like a load of crap to me.


*Because, you know, pretending that our gunships were gunning down innocents and putting that out on the internet was TOTALLY for a transparent government, the terrorists would never use that to recruit more soldiers.
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Let me preface this by saying it is going to be a ramble. If it doesnt make sense ask me to clarify my point. If i misunderstand something that is going on in the world please correct me but dont be a dick about it.

Ok, i need to be clear, which i guess (read: know) i havent been.

I do not fully support Assange and his org, I do not agree with their tactics, but i do see that this is where the distribution of information is heading and people are either going to accept it and become upfront about what is happening, or try to shut anything like this down.

Editing footage or lying about events is one thing i can never support, but releasing the sheer number of doc's they have just for the sake of saying "hey we know what youre doing"? I can agree with that, even if it puts people who are already in sketchy situations in danger. These people knew what they were signing up for when they signed up. They are informants to governments which brings an inherent risk of pissing people off. When they decided to inform, they took on this risk of being outed as an informant. If they dont like that realization, invent a time machine and DONT DO IT.

As sad as i am to say it, troops too. For the past few years they have to have known that we are fighting a useless war that the average american has forgotten about, and those that havent just want their god damn kids home. They cant get out, and it sucks. Even if they know what i believe, and if they believe it too, they are stuck.

If outing our strategic moves expedites a "retreat" from the middle east im all for it. The only problem is that we can not abandon the occupied countries we're in without severely screwing up their entire political dynamic causing a gigantic collapse of pretty much everything weve "worked for" (aka bombed the crap out of).

Postscript: I dont really like my government right now, i dont really like anyone right now to be honest. I find it hard to get behind a movement when it's motives can be so cloudy. It doesnt matter how white knight-ish the group might be, there is always a bottom line. This realization has severely jaded my worldview and is influencing me more and more to run from my student loan (aka unjustified $100,000 that was supposed to help me in the long run) debts and leave the country to start a new life on a nice little island in the south pacific.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote choopie911 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 November 2010 at 5:42am
Interesting that this story came to light through this, and not before :S
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In a daring escape, he mounted a horse, hired two guides, and began a perilous 14-hour overnight climb across the freezing mountains of north-western Iran into eastern Turkey. After that he took a bus.

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