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    Posted: 19 June 2011 at 8:28pm
I don't know a lot about golf. I only really follow it because I like sports and will follow anything that falls into that category. 

But good Lord, I know enough that winning the U.S. Open at 22-years-old with a record breaking -16 is something special. He's the second-youngest player to win the Open since the 1940s. 

Kid is younger than I am. Meaning that I now feel the need to question what I'm doing with my damn life. 
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I had planned on playing some golf this weekend. Then Rory shot -11 on the first 36, and I decided that comparing myself to him would just depress me.
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Golf is not my sport.  Played it several times and taken direction from several friends to improve my 'game' to no avail.  If I don't pick up on something, I quickly become frustrated and lose interest.  Golf is my bane.  Infuriating.  Torturous.  Irritating.  And watching somebody pick it up after a few games where I cannot just rubs salt into an open wound.
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Kid is younger than I am. Meaning that I now feel the need to question what I'm doing with my damn life.

He's been playing golf since he could walk and practiced under the same professional coach since he was 6 or 7 years old. I don't mean to lessen his accomplishments, but his skill wasn't something he motivated himself to get. When you start that young, with such support from your parents, it isn't much of a choice to be motivated to pursue an activity. It just becomes a part of you. While he may have some traits that have helped him all along, I think there would be more prodigies out there if more parents or guardians knew how to bring out their kids' potentials.

There's no reason to feel unaccomplished because of these guys. They had opportunities none of us had. Under the same circumstances, I'd have be a competitive aerobatic pilot by know, tallen would have been a celebrity chef, you would've traveled the world, chewp would've been working for PIXAR (sorry man, I don't know any famous animators); we could do this for anybody on the forum.

As impressive as it all is, his age doesn't change anything for me unless he first picked up a golf club no earlier than when he was in high school.


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I agree and disagree with what Tolgak says. While I agree that starting that early and having the proper coaching helps one improve and reach levels that most people do not, there are some things you just can't teach. I watch kids that have played basketball from the time they were old enough to hold one and some kids just naturally excel. There is something in their genetic makeup that just makes them better. A lot of it shows when giving instructions to kids. You can take kid one who is a natural athelete, show him some slight change in his shot stance or grip on his club, he will pick it up immediately and continue to do it correctly. Then take kid two who while good, just doesnt have that natural ability and you can show him the same thing over and over again and he just doesnt get it right or slowly resorts back to the incorrect grip or swing over time. There truly are some attributes that some atheletes have that you just can't teach. Acceptance of pain, quick muscle response, muscle memory, endurance, ability to think while in motion/transition, drive and the list goes on.
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The whole unaccomplished thing was more tongue-in-cheek. 

It was more the interesting phenomenon I think everyone ends up witnessing, where the stars in sports begin to be younger than you. I'm almost at that point now. Last year, the Nationals debuted their hot-shot 21-year-old Stephen Strasburg who threw for 14 strikeouts in his first opener. 

But, his elbow is all blown out now, whereas I have two working elbows. 

Jokes on him. 
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:


But, his elbow is all blown out now, whereas I have two working elbows. 

Jokes on him. 
Which brings up an interesting point IMO. Local PSA's in our area are running these days warning about how such a high percentage of lifelong sports injuries begin from ones suffered in middle school these days. Essentially it is telling kids not to play through the pain. Interesting concept when you consider the prevailing mentality these days is to "suck it up" or "walk it off". Wonder if he hadnt been pitching since he was probably 3 if he would still have two good elbows?
 
Alternatively, are we reaching the pinnacle of human limits? In athletics, are were pushing so hard that we are reaching the limit of how fast we can run and throw?


Edited by oldpbnoob - 20 June 2011 at 10:06am
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Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

 Wonder if he hadnt been pitching since he was probably 3 if he would still have two good elbows?
 

Strasburg is a unique situation, because I think his trainers are partially responsible for his blown elbow.  

He tore his ulnar collateral ligament - the Tommy John - I think because of his exaggerated mechanics. Growing up in college ball and the minors, his mechanics were right on the egde of what will start causing physical problems. What I think happened was he got his start in the major leagues, and his otherwise on-the-edge mechanics exaggerated into the unsafe. He started late-cocking and high-cocking the ball on the forward motion, making the dreaded "inverted W" that puts all of the throwing stress on the ulnar collateral ligament. 

His pitching trainers should have seen that he was cocking the ball higher and later each throw as the game progressed and told him to calm down, drop his shoulder, drop his elbow, etc. 

But they didn't. They let him keep going, because, honestly, I think their mindset was "Well he's doing so well, let him go." 

Now he's in an 1-year plus physical rehab period for Tommy John surgery. 
 
Quote Alternatively, are we reaching the pinnacle of human limits? In athletics, are were pushing so hard that we are reaching the limit of how fast we can run and throw?

This is really interesting. 

We're starting to see people questioning this, in regards to safety, in college football. 

A couple coaches have come out and said they want to get rid of the kickoff in college ball, as the majority of traumatic injuries happen during the kickoff. Like the Rutgers player who paralyzed from the neck down last year, and is starting to get the ability to twitch again now. 

Players are bigger, stronger, faster now than they've ever been - especially for the college game. 

And I think safety is becoming a concern because of that. 
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