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    Posted: 08 October 2006 at 2:48pm
i need help with everything involving carbon fiber. i need a step by step tutorial of the entire process, its somthing ive been wanting to learn for a while now and i need your help. please give me help give me links whatever... i just wanna learn
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Your question is a little vague..

Carbon Fiber as in relating to what? I'll assume HPA tanks.

But even with that assumption its still a really vague question.

What specifically do you want to know? To pass on everything I know about Carbon Fiber HPA tanks would take pages of typing, something I am not willing to do.
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Key to Carbon Fiber is how strong, yet light it is.. I chose it over Aluminum\Steel on my Nitro R\C cars for that exact reason\fact.
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im wanting to learn it all, i want to be able to make anything and everything carbon fiber whether it be barrels foregrips.... anything
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go to the carbon fibre store.
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Originally posted by AdamA5 AdamA5 wrote:

im wanting to learn it all, i want to be able to make anything and everything carbon fiber whether it be barrels foregrips.... anything

Heh heh heh.

It's just not that easy.

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To make carbon fiber, you will need ALOT of money, and you cant do it in your basement either.

Just buy a mag, put a carbon fiber forgrip on it, Carbon tank, and St!ffi

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Here's an idea, go to this site:  www.google.com  and type in CARBON FIBER.  You will get more than enough information to satiate your hunger for that topic.
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i no you can buy carbon fiber buy the sheets... i have no idea how your goin to make anything solid out of it... im sure there is some sort of epoxy that you would have to use also
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Originally posted by AdamA5 AdamA5 wrote:

i need help with everything involving carbon fiber. i need a step by step tutorial of the entire process, its somthing ive been wanting to learn for a while now and i need your help. please give me help give me links whatever... i just wanna learn
 
As was suggested, Google it! I am involved in amateur built aircraft. Carbon fiber is not for basement fabrication projects. Carbon fiber, while strong and light, it is used primarily because it is stiff. Also, extreme care must be taken when handling it because of the release of sharp fibers. Rather than just the itchy skin one gets from fiberglass, carbon fiber filaments can enter the skin or lungs tissues or eyes and will continue to migrate into the body causing, in some cases, serious damage.
 
Not intending to scare you off, but it takes a significant amount of training or intense research and self teaching to successfully fabricate with carbon fiber.
 
Carbon fiber is available from many of the companies that cater to the homebuilt aircraft crowd...such as Aircraft Spruce Company. It is available in woven fabric, in parallel strand fabric, and in what is called "pre-preg" sheets. Pre-preg means it is pre-impregnated with "epoxy" resin. In this form it is used for wing and fuselage skins...places where it does not have to be bent sharply.
 
Carbon fiber is added in amateur built aircraft usually to add stiffness and strength to wings and highly loaded landing gear. Use in paintball barrels, like the Stiffi barrel, is more a gimmick than anything else. Fabrication with carbon fiber is really producing plastic parts that are reinforced with carbon fiber. While it looks cool, and the bore is molded and polished well, so it produces very good accuracy, it could be just as easily duplicated with fiberglass or Kevlar (another gimmick) or no reinforcement at all with the correct choice of the plastic formula.
 

 



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Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

Here's an idea, go to this site:  www.google.com  and type in CARBON FIBER.  You will get more than enough information to satiate your hunger for that topic.


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Originally posted by Squishey Squishey wrote:

Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

Here's an idea, go to this site:  www.google.com  and type in CARBON FIBER.  You will get more than enough information to satiate your hunger for that topic.


Ohhhhhhhhh. you beat me to it.

In this age of information, it is funny how you still need to spoonfeed some people. 

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Originally posted by Bruce A. Frank Bruce A. Frank wrote:

As was suggested, Google it! I am involved in amateur built aircraft. Carbon fiber is not for basement fabrication projects. Carbon fiber, while strong and light, it is used primarily because it is stiff. Also, extreme care must be taken when handling it because of the release of sharp fibers. Rather than just the itchy skin one gets from fiberglass, carbon fiber filaments can enter the skin or lungs tissues or eyes and will continue to migrate into the body causing, in some cases, serious damage.
 
Not intending to scare you off, but it takes a significant amount of training or intense research and self teaching to successfully fabricate with carbon fiber.
 
Carbon fiber is available from many of the companies that cater to the homebuilt aircraft crowd...such as Aircraft Spruce Company. It is available in woven fabric, in parallel strand fabric, and in what is called "pre-preg" sheets. Pre-preg means it is pre-impregnated with "epoxy" resin. In this form it is used for wing and fuselage skins...places where it does not have to be bent sharply.
 
Carbon fiber is added in amateur built aircraft usually to add stiffness and strength to wings and highly loaded landing gear. Use in paintball barrels, like the Stiffi barrel, is more a gimmick than anything else. Fabrication with carbon fiber is really producing plastic parts that are reinforced with carbon fiber. While it looks cool, and the bore is molded and polished well, so it produces very good accuracy, it could be just as easily duplicated with fiberglass or Kevlar (another gimmick) or no reinforcement at all with the correct choice of the plastic formula.


Ya fiberglass slivers suk they hurt so bad... but in the stiffi barrel they use it for weight reduction.. just like the deadlywind foregrip... i have that foregrip its solid as a rock and weighs nothing..

It will add strength like bruce said with little weight added on
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Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

Originally posted by Squishey Squishey wrote:

Originally posted by StormyKnight StormyKnight wrote:

Here's an idea, go to this site:  www.google.com  and type in CARBON FIBER.  You will get more than enough information to satiate your hunger for that topic.


Ohhhhhhhhh. you beat me to it.

In this age of information, it is funny how you still need to spoonfeed some people. 

 

sorry for even considering asking people... gah im soo dumb. i never should have considered asking people in a forum a viable question... why ask anything in forums cause you know somewhere in the 45,000 links google pulls up the answer has to be in one of them. sorry but you cant snap and find the info, i looked and didnt find anything but clutter.. so thats why i asked. hope it didnt put you out too much reading this

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Sarcasm is very unbecoming...

With just a teeny-tiny bit of thought processing, the conclusion that carbon fiber is NOT easy to manufacture would be reached. What makes you think we know it all?

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it was a general question hoping there were some educated people on here.... silly me
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Originally posted by Bruce A. Frank Bruce A. Frank wrote:

Originally posted by AdamA5 AdamA5 wrote:

i need help with everything involving carbon fiber. i need a step by step tutorial of the entire process, its somthing ive been wanting to learn for a while now and i need your help. please give me help give me links whatever... i just wanna learn
 
As was suggested, Google it! I am involved in amateur built aircraft. Carbon fiber is not for basement fabrication projects. Carbon fiber, while strong and light, it is used primarily because it is stiff. Also, extreme care must be taken when handling it because of the release of sharp fibers. Rather than just the itchy skin one gets from fiberglass, carbon fiber filaments can enter the skin or lungs tissues or eyes and will continue to migrate into the body causing, in some cases, serious damage.
 
Not intending to scare you off, but it takes a significant amount of training or intense research and self teaching to successfully fabricate with carbon fiber.
 
Carbon fiber is available from many of the companies that cater to the homebuilt aircraft crowd...such as Aircraft Spruce Company. It is available in woven fabric, in parallel strand fabric, and in what is called "pre-preg" sheets. Pre-preg means it is pre-impregnated with "epoxy" resin. In this form it is used for wing and fuselage skins...places where it does not have to be bent sharply.
 
Carbon fiber is added in amateur built aircraft usually to add stiffness and strength to wings and highly loaded landing gear. Use in paintball barrels, like the Stiffi barrel, is more a gimmick than anything else. Fabrication with carbon fiber is really producing plastic parts that are reinforced with carbon fiber. While it looks cool, and the bore is molded and polished well, so it produces very good accuracy, it could be just as easily duplicated with fiberglass or Kevlar (another gimmick) or no reinforcement at all with the correct choice of the plastic formula.
 

 


So Adam. You having a hard time reading?

Or are you not seeing what you want to see?
 
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Originally posted by AdamA5 AdamA5 wrote:

im wanting to learn it all, i want to be able to make anything and everything carbon fiber whether it be barrels foregrips.... anything

If you thought that my first remarks were rude or uncalled for then you might not like this one.  If you want to learn it all, you need to go to school for a Plastics (or Composites) Engineering Technology degree or other equivalent.  You will not learn how to use carbon fiber or related materials from links to websites.  You need a college education.  Sorry if I burst your tender bubble.



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Originally posted by DeTrevni DeTrevni wrote:

Sarcasm is very unbecoming...

With just a teeny-tiny bit of thought processing, the conclusion that carbon fiber is NOT easy to manufacture would be reached. What makes you think we know it all?

We do know it all. Which is why we gave him the info about the difficulty in learning how to do what he wants to do. But, I spend hours on Google and Ask covering 40, 50 up to  hundreds of pages to research in-depth such processes...sometimes looking to answer questions right here on Tippmann group.

For AdamA to be sarcastic and make such a stupid statement that all he could find is clutter is is worthy of much more sarcasm than he received from  DeTrevni. AdamA, you are on a paintball forum. You got the advise as to a proper process to obtain the in-depth knowledge you said you desired. Did you expect to be taught what you needed to know right here in the forum?

If you could get over your desire to be spoon fed and spent 20 minutes on Google you would have found, as I did, several organizations offering courses in carbon fiber fabrication.

It would strengthen your case for sincere help in the future to learn to spell, ask concise questions and pay attention to grammar. I know you weren't spoon fed that in school so it has no value as you see it. Knowing web-speak and knowing that "teh" translates to "the" doesn't make you cool. It exposes how inappropriately asinine you can be.

You have achieved status on the list of members here to whom many knowledgeable participants will no longer respond. Bye! 

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