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Topic: Brilliant solution to gas problemPosted: 19 March 2007 at 9:24am |
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This isn't entirely my idea, I'm not clever enough. Everyone's complaining that our dependency on foreign oil is causing not only economic problems at the pump, but ecological problems in the world. Greenhouse gasses are drowning polar bears and making crushed ice out of the polar regions. The problem is, that we need a cleaner burning, cheaper alternative to petrolium products. The further problem is, that oil companies have so much money invested in the production of fossil fuels, that they can, and for all we know are, preventing the production of alternative fuel sources to protect their profits. What if.....and this cramps capitalizm HARDCORE, but it sure would be a solution. Every dollar in profits that oil companies make selling petolium based products, they keep fifty cents. The government gets the rest to put into research and development on alternative sources. HOWEVER. Every dollar made by these companies on the production and sales of alternative sources, they keep it all. This would serve two purposes. 1. It would give the government the funds it needs to speed up production of alternative sources. 2. It would provide incentive for oil companies to either shift their focus to alternative sources that would benefit the economy and environment, or at the very least diversify. But.....it'll never happen. Ever. But its not a rotten idea. |
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 9:44am |
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California proposed a very similar tax last fall in a referendum. It failed.
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 9:57am |
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Yeah, you have to know it wouldn't get off the ground. It's explode in the hangar simply because it rubs against the grain.
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 10:17am |
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Well, there is no garuntee that the government wont just pocket the money gained from the gas companies. That and the the companies would raise the cost of gas to an ungodly amount out of spite. |
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 10:20am |
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Even thought that particular proposal failed, there are numerous government initiatives to foster alternative energy sources, at the state and federal level. These initiatives include grants for R&D, renewable energy requirements for utilities, subsidies and tax credits for investment, and others. One can question whether we are doing "enough", but there is a certain amount of time and money being put into this. |
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 11:13am |
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Reb - I like the idea, though it does raise the possibility of oil producers simply jacking the price up. This would hurt everyone involved, but I think they would eventually take us in a waiting game.
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 11:17am |
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Oh, its far from a flawless idea, thats one thing that makes me glad its not my idea. Maybe.....a price cap? Hell, if we're gonna violate the principals of capitalism once, lets do it again. |
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 11:32am |
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Sounds good to me. The Dems don't have a big enough majority to make it happen at he moment though....
I think, short of doing what you're talking about, the government should subsidize the companies that are making alternative fuels now in a really big way. Help them build plants and distribution centers all over, make cheap or free conversion kits for existing gas stations(and cars) so they can pump ethanol/biodeisel/hydrogen/ect, set up alternative power plants all over the country, and whatever else they can think of. They should also mandate that they do it to the point that it would actually make a difference. This wouldn't be a slap in the face to our beloved capitalism, because it would be supporting small and medium size businesses, either. It would cost a lot, so it would require some new taxes and funding ideas, and they would have to keep one of the nation's most powerful lobbies from squashing it, but I think it's doable.... More dramatic action, even than your plan, has been executed by the government in times of crisis, which we are in, global warming be damned, so I think it can and should happen. |
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 11:33am |
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Regulation of the fuel oil industry with a focus on mandating the building of new refineries. That'd take care of the price at the pump. The actual fluctuations in light-sweet-crude actually do very little to affect the overall cost of gas in all reality. The individual companies that OWN the stations and pumps, however, use it as a reason to raise gas prices. Did you notice that when the bottom fell out of the oil futures trading scene a few months back we only got down to around $2.25/Gal on a national average? The reason is that not only have they raised prices so high they have set a new standard "low" price for the fuel at the pump, but also the fact that there are not enough refineries to keep the production of automotive fuels low. |
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 11:44am |
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Would guarantee higher prices for everybody. If there is one thing that capitalism does really, really well, it is keeping prices low. |
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 11:46am |
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It's not totally about the price at the pump though, man. You have to consider the strategic crap hole out need for Middle Eastern oil and the environmental impacts of burning old-style fossil fuels...
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 11:48am |
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Addressed to me? I agree with your general point - I was just responding to tallen, who appeared to be making a price-specific point.
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 12:11pm |
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tallen, we can't build new refineries, or even update the ones we HAVE. It looks like its for the same reason we're not tapping into out own natural reserves of crude oil. Environmental lobbyists are fighting the production of such facilities tooth and nail, and as a testament to the power they have, we haven't made progress in terms of new refineries in many years. I'm not saying that the hippies are the only reason we're stuck in this oil quagmire, but its a pretty solit reason from where I sit. |
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 12:58pm |
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Environmental lobbyists only protest. Since when do the Gov. listen to them. [Hint spotted Owl] Exxon and the like are given Billions to stop Alternative fuel and thier production of it not to mention denouncing anything new. Edited by welcome guest - 19 March 2007 at 1:03pm |
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 1:05pm |
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Addressed to tallen actually, you just beat me to the spot...heh. Edited by .Ryan - 19 March 2007 at 1:05pm |
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 1:21pm |
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 1:35pm |
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You ask and now you shall recieve. POLITICAL PEDDLING
The return ExxonMobil gets for the millions it spends on lobbyists and campaign contributions comes back in the billions. The industry as a whole receives up to $113 billion per year in direct federal subsidies, according to experts.
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 1:50pm |
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people will start moving forward once that effects us (sigh) humans are the dumbest of all animals |
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 1:51pm |
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Non-responsive. $113bn/year in "subsidies" just means they get a bunch of money. How much of that is actually paying them NOT to do alternatives? I'm guessing close to zero, unless you are talking about just general incentives for pro-oil behavior? Many millions, at least, of those subsidies are actually supporting alternative energy. Millions more have nothing to with energy at all. So that number is quite misleading. |
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Posted: 19 March 2007 at 2:09pm |
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My turn. Now show me one alternative fuel patent that was used that Exxon bought the rights to. Why is it the big oil co. are buying patent rights to alternative fuel, and not use them? Is this thier way of support alternative fuel? [Simple search alternative fuel patents] Edited by welcome guest - 19 March 2007 at 2:14pm |
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