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    Posted: 09 May 2008 at 11:42am

Hi all just have a few questions if you dont mind.

I just picked up a new Tippmann X7 Electronic (Has the E-Grip) and now for a new barrel. I have been looking around here and alot of people seem to suggest the J&J Ceramic. so I looked them up and found 2

The J&JCeramic and J&J Full ceramic what is the difference and what one should I pick?

Also I really like the look of the longer barrels I know personal pref. So will the 20" barrel be as accurate as the 14" or 16" barrel? I am playing woods ball if that matters.

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Now this is about the air. I also see that alot of people recommed Hpa over CO2 so that is what I am going to go with.

Now my question is on a tank. Trying to keep cost low since I already spent alot of money. what do you guys think of this tank or any recommedations are welcome of course. Weight is not really an issue here since I have a remote coil so tank will not be attached to the gun directly.

Tank I am looking at is the  Pure Energy Aluminum 72CI 3000PSI HPA Tank

Thanks in advance.

 



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Hey there. The J&J Ceramic is most likely the same thing as the "Full Ceramic." Did you see them on different sites? It could be just a difference in description. And yes the 20" will perform the same as the 14", so if that's the look you prefer, then I don't see a reason not to get it. However, longer barrels can make it difficult to tuck into bunkers should you fall under fire.

As for the HPA tank, the Pure Energy aluminum and steel tanks seem to be good "starter" tanks. Don't expect to get more shots out of it though. Out of that tank, I'd estimate about 800ish shots. Out of a 20oz. CO2 tank, you can get around 1200. The advantage of HPA is greater consistency and stable performance in all weather conditions.

 

Edit: Were you referring to the J&J "Full Tilt" barrel? If so, it's just a 2-piece verson of the regular Ceramic. I don't think it would offer any advantages over the 1-piece ceramic, other than looks. But I've never used the Full Tilt, so I can't say for sure.



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As for the HPA tank, the Pure Energy aluminum and steel tanks seem to be good "starter" tanks. Don't expect to get more shots out of it though. Out of that tank, I'd estimate about 800ish shots. Out of a 20oz. CO2 tank, you can get around 1200. The advantage of HPA is greater consistency and stable performance in all weather conditions.

Do you recommend a different tank? Also if I am not firing off alot of shots at once like in full auto. would Hpa still have it advantages over Co2? Or does it only have it advantages in weather conditions?

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Edit: Were you referring to the J&J "Full Tilt" barrel? If so, it's just a 2-piece verson of the regular Ceramic. I don't think it would offer any advantages over the 1-piece ceramic, other than looks. But I've never used the Full Tilt, so I can't say for sure.

Thanks for clearing that up. I dont think i should go messing around with 2-Piece barrels as i am still a newbie.

Thanks for taking the time to help me out here i really Aprecieate it

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No problem, it's why I'm here. :)

Basically for HPA, your advantage is in the consistency and stable performance. This can help increase shot to shot accuracy, and is seen to be a vast improvement over CO2. I personally prefer HPA to CO2, but consistency and stability are its only real advantages. However, if you are shooting slowly, CO2 should be fine for an X7. But that kind of defeats the fun of an E-Grip, don't you think? As for recommending a different tank, I personally like my PMI fiber wrapped 68/4500 tank. It cost me $160, and that was a cheaper tank as well, but it's lighter than the stell and aluminum tanks and you get many more shots. If you do get an HPA tank, make sure it's "high pressure output." HPA tanks use a regulator to limit the air that goes into your marker. They have high pressure (HP) output regs and low pressure (LP) output regs. HP is regulated to about 850 PSI, which is similar to the output of a CO2 tank. LP tanks are regulated down to about 450 PSI, and are only really good on today's market for Angels so it seems. If you get a LP HPA tank, you will experience serious shootdown, or loss of velocity at higher rates of fire.

Also, a note on HPA: On your Tippy, CO2 will work just fine. But if you want to upgrade to a "high-end" electropneumatic paitnball gun, HPA will be required. If liquid CO2 gets into the solenoid (electronic valve used to control airflow within the marker), it will over-pressurize and break. But like I said, you don't have to worry about that now.



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No problem, it's why I'm here. :)

Basically for HPA, your advantage is in the consistency and stable performance. This can help increase shot to shot accuracy, and is seen to be a vast improvement over CO2. I personally prefer HPA to CO2, but consistency and stability are its only real advantages. However, if you are shooting slowly, CO2 should be fine for an X7. But that kind of defeats the fun of an E-Grip, don't you think? As for recommending a different tank, I personally like my PMI fiber wrapped 68/4500 tank. It cost me $160, and that was a cheaper tank as well, but it's lighter than the stell and aluminum tanks and you get many more shots. If you do get an HPA tank, make sure it's "high pressure output." HPA tanks use a regulator to limit the air that goes into your marker. They have high pressure (HP) output regs and low pressure (LP) output regs. HP is regulated to about 850 PSI, which is similar to the output of a CO2 tank. LP tanks are regulated down to about 450 PSI, and are only really good on today's market for Angels so it seems. If you get a LP HPA tank, you will experience serious shootdown, or loss of velocity at higher rates of fire.

Also, a note on HPA: On your Tippy, CO2 will work just fine. But if you want to upgrade to a "high-end" electropneumatic paitnball gun, HPA will be required. If liquid CO2 gets into the solenoid (electronic valve used to control airflow within the marker), it will over-pressurize and break. But like I said, you don't have to worry about that now.



Again thank you for taking the time to fully explain this all to me
If you were local i would defiantly buy you a cold one.
I am going to spend the money and get a nice tank in the long run I will be happier.
And yes you are right there it does defeat the purpose of having the E-Grip
Just have to double check my local place where i get my air cause they may not be able to fill 4500 tanks only 3000.

Also I should refill my tank when it drops to 850psi or lower?


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I always run my tanks out before filling.
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It's a personal preference, I guess, as it wouldn't hurt or help your tank either way. I usually fill it when I notice it running low. Low is variable. Sometimes I'll run it dry, other times I'll fill it at 1500 PSI, just because I was at the compressor. Of course, my field does have all day air included with entry, so that affects how often I fill.
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