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    Posted: 23 August 2008 at 10:50am
I came across this on another forum.  I'm guessing its something thats been getting forwarded around the internet for some time.

Originally posted by Forward Forward wrote:

Like a lot of folks in this state, I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test with which I have no problem. What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them? Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their [butt], doing drugs, while I work. . . . Can you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check? . . . Something has to change in this country -- and soon!!!


I think its a great point, but at the same time, who pays for the drug tests?  If the state pays for them, I'm sure that would take a big cut out of the money we would have saved.
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I think it makes a valid point even if it is a forward.
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Several problems:

Welfare is about running a vote plantation. It is not designed to help you get back on your feet.

The people who run the vote plantation would never pass judgement on anyone who is unable to refrain from drug use.

The 'massa' does however frown upon profiting from hard work and not subsisting on handouts. If you're willing to leave the plantation, you have to leave the drug use behind.

It's also fun because drugs are illegal so the more unpleasant and stupid ones can enroll in a more structured and sheltered plantation where they no longer have to produce a crop...prison.

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I don't really think the government deserves that kind of authority (or responsibility).

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Originally posted by Predatorr Predatorr wrote:

I think it makes a valid point even if it is a forward.
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That sounds like a well reasoned, cogent argument, I would love to have a chat with the author upon subjects such as how great being rich is.

e: The joke is that any job that requires regular drug tests probably sucks.

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There is a central problem with this concept and the discussion so far, and it is the same central problem that pops up in discussions of affirmative action, gun control, and a whole host of other social/legal issues:

WTH is "welfare?"

"Welfare" is one of those words that people casually toss about without really knowing what they mean.

So in order for this to be a meaningful exchange, we first have to establish what exactly we are talking about.
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Originally posted by BARREL BREAK BARREL BREAK wrote:

That sounds like a well reasoned, cogent argument, I would love to have a chat with the author upon subjects such as how great being rich is.

e: The joke is that any job that requires regular drug tests probably sucks.


I worked at hibbett sports making 8.00 an hour and had regular urine test.

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Originally posted by Heres To You Heres To You wrote:

Originally posted by BARREL BREAK BARREL BREAK wrote:

That sounds like a well reasoned, cogent argument, I would love to have a chat with the author upon subjects such as how great being rich is.

e: The joke is that any job that requires regular drug tests probably sucks.


I worked at hibbett sports making 8.00 an hour and had regular urine test.

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Whoa...$8 an hour...

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What a stupid thing to complain about.
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What I also don't get is what one has to do with the other.  Here is the argument restated:

1.  I work 

2.  I pay taxes

3.  I get tested for drugs

4.  Some small portion of tax revenue gets spent on "welfare"

Conclusion:  Welfare recipients should get drug tested

The conclusion does not even begin to follow from the premises.



Edited by Akhmed - 23 August 2008 at 8:34pm
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Any government funding for those who "can't" something. I.E. Can't afford health insurance, can't afford drug treatment etc. Needs to be cut from our our government spending. Why the hell should we pay for people who are too lazy to work. Or have a drug addiction so bad they can't work. Are you freaking joking me? They are really going to say they have a drug addiction to bad they can't work? Wow these are the people who need to die already, they are a burden on society. But if they die, WE have to pay for the EMT's to pick them up, WE have to pay to bury their ass etc. Just get some illegal aliens who WILL work for cheap, and a chevy truck. To pick up these dead, burden to society people, and throw them in a dumpster!
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Originally posted by impulse! impulse! wrote:

Any government funding for those who "can't" something. I.E. Can't afford health insurance, can't afford drug treatment etc. Needs to be cut from our our government spending. Why the hell should we pay for people who are too lazy to work. Or have a drug addiction so bad they can't work. Are you freaking joking me? They are really going to say they have a drug addiction to bad they can't work? Wow these are the people who need to die already, they are a burden on society. But if they die, WE have to pay for the EMT's to pick them up, WE have to pay to bury their ass etc. Just get some illegal aliens who WILL work for cheap, and a chevy truck. To pick up these dead, burden to society people, and throw them in a dumpster!

Translation:  I have no idea what the heck I am talking about.

Good lord, dude.
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Originally posted by Akhmed Akhmed wrote:

Originally posted by impulse! impulse! wrote:

Any government funding for those who "can't" something. I.E. Can't afford health insurance, can't afford drug treatment etc. Needs to be cut from our our government spending. Why the hell should we pay for people who are too lazy to work. Or have a drug addiction so bad they can't work. Are you freaking joking me? They are really going to say they have a drug addiction to bad they can't work? Wow these are the people who need to die already, they are a burden on society. But if they die, WE have to pay for the EMT's to pick them up, WE have to pay to bury their ass etc. Just get some illegal aliens who WILL work for cheap, and a chevy truck. To pick up these dead, burden to society people, and throw them in a dumpster!

Translation:  I have no idea what the heck I am talking about.

Good lord, dude.



Please explain. When I go to a hospital in a rough area, the waiting room is full of people without health insurance. But our current laws say we must treat them to a extent. Or people on foodstamps, I have seen that personally, working at a grocery store. And they don't have stamps anymore, it like a debit card hahahaha! These people are a joke.

Akhmed, tell your family to get off welfare, I don't feel like paying for your food etc.
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Originally posted by impulse! impulse! wrote:


Please explain. When I go to a hospital in a rough area, the waiting room is full of people without health insurance. But our current laws say we must treat them to a extent. Or people on foodstamps, I have seen that personally, working at a grocery store. And they don't have stamps anymore, it like a debit card hahahaha! These people are a joke.

Akhmed, tell your family to get off welfare, I don't feel like paying for your food etc.

Where even to begin...

Did you ever attend a public school?

Benefit from police presence?

Drive on a public road?
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Originally posted by Akhmed Akhmed wrote:

Originally posted by impulse! impulse! wrote:


Please explain. When I go to a hospital in a rough area, the waiting room is full of people without health insurance. But our current laws say we must treat them to a extent. Or people on foodstamps, I have seen that personally, working at a grocery store. And they don't have stamps anymore, it like a debit card hahahaha! These people are a joke.

Akhmed, tell your family to get off welfare, I don't feel like paying for your food etc.

Where even to begin...

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I believe in taxes dumbass. But I don't believe our taxes should go to people who are too lazy to work etc. Please tell me why I'm wrong, obviously I don't know what I'm talking about seeing I'm not on welfare or any government assistance. But it sounds like you have PHD on this subject, from personal experience?
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