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    Posted: 12 April 2009 at 10:47am
Like usual, my A-5 isn't doing well. I never liked it since early on when I got it, but for reason. The first time I went out and played with it, it worked great and was a lot of fun. That was however the only time that it has ever worked properly.

After that the cyclone either started blending up my paintballs, or my bolt would cut them all to pieces.

After testing it out the other day, it seemed to be working alright and I decided to try it out again, and not use my 98.

Well, who woulda guessed, about 3/4 through the day it started chopping paint like no other. I figured the cyclone was grinding them up. So I emptied the paint and looked in the cyclone. It was perfectly clean, but you could seen into the hole where the bolt is. It was bright pink. So it WAS chopping.

I thought the cyclone was supposed to eliminate them?

I'm just wondering what I can do.

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Edited by K Hop - 12 April 2009 at 10:47am
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no, the cyclone does not eliminate chopping. The cyclone is for all intents and purposes, an "air agitated hopper" that feeds the paintballs more reliably.
 
You say you have paint in the port but not in the cyclone itself. That either means it's chopping or breech-breaking and not a cyclone issue.
 
Check the following:
* Make sure your ball latch (red rubber detent thing) is in properly.
* Velocity is too high, try turning it down by 15fps.
* Remove the cyclone and inspect the "hook." Polish that hook on top and of the inside arc, remove any sharp edges or corners.
* Inspect the front bolt for sharp edges, dings or anything that will cut the paintball. Wet-Sand it with 1000 grit paper to remove any burrs.
* Use a better grade paint.
 
If it were something like the "paddles" of the cyclone, you would have paint all over the inside of the cyclone housing. You say not, so therefore it's inside the marker.
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Everything on the checklist i have done. The velocity was only 255 average.
Detent was in correctly.
Front bolt is free of anything that would damage the paint. It still could pass as new.
Paint was excellent quality bought at a proshop.
And the cyclone itself is sound.

Also it has been in the cyclone before as well. With paint all inside the paddles. But this time it was not.
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Bump

And another problem.
So I cleaned my A-5 because it was chewing up my paintballs and reassembled it. I gassed it up and it started blowing air out of the powertube. It wasn't just a leak. You could see the Co2 coming out.

So I figured I put it together wrong. Strip'd it down and put it back together. The right way. Yet the same thing happened. It was also cocked.


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hmm... so you could be chopping paint in the barrel.  your barrel might be to small or has scratches in it. check that too.
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Where from on the powertube? Sounds like you might need to look at replacing the o-rings in the valve. Check the o-ring that fits in where the tombstone fits into the PT.
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Originally posted by GOMEZ15 GOMEZ15 wrote:

hmm... so you could be chopping paint in the barrel.  your barrel might be to small or has scratches in it. check that too.


It's not the barrel.

Originally posted by oldpbnoob oldpbnoob wrote:

Where from on the powertube? Sounds like you might need to look at replacing the o-rings in the valve. Check the o-ring that fits in where the tombstone fits into the PT.


Those are my thoughts. Just seemed like there was too much air coming out for just some bad o-rings. It was leaking from the front where it goes to the barrel, the blowback, and out of the tombstone.


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^^^^ And I am assuming you have oiled all the o-rings? I know one of the ones that always causes me a pain in the rear is the one in the tombstone. I have gotten the o-ring and washer mixed up before and when that happens...... You would be amazed at how much air can come out when an o-ring is bad or out of place. I mean think about it, you have 800PSI+ shooting out of the marker!  It will find a way. I had an O-ring in my remote blow and it emptied a 20oz tank in seconds. It doesnt take much. 
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This has probably been mentioned before, but what propellant are you using?
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Yes I oiled them, but I'm just going to try to replace them.

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Another thing to add. I just checked it again to get more details, and while its cocked it also leaks out the blowback, I could tell because the response trigger engaged.


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K Hop, I was recently having a problem with my A5 chopping paint.  I had just upgraded to an A5 egrip with a selector switch and a cyclone upgrade with all the bells and whistles.  After I did the upgrade, the A5 started chopping paint.  I couldn't figure out if it was the bolt or the cyclone.  I took it completely apart a couple of times and couldn't figure it out.  Then I noticed the "squishy" paddles (for the cyclone) did not have the capability to interlock.  My squishy paddles were becoming unaligned during the firing process which was causing the paintball to feed halfway between the barrel and the cyclone.  The bolt was then busting the paint like crazy.  I ordered a new set of squishy paddles that interlock and haven't had the same problem since.
 
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Thanks snowman, I also forgot to mention. It's bone stock except for a response trigger. Which I don't use.
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Thanks for all the help guys. Oldpbnoob actually led me to find the problem. He said a few things about the o-rings. Turns out most of the internals in the valve were rusted. The washer was rusted and didn't form a seal with the o-ring- Turns out when I lent it to a friend a few weeks back he soaked EVERYTHING in warm water to get it clean and get the paint off. I'm trying to get all the rust off, hopefully I won't have to buy new valve parts.
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Ouch. The valve body should be aluminum, so no worries there, but the steel internals will rust. Try pulling it apart and soaking the rusted parts in oil. If there is surface rust, use very fine steel wool to clean the surface. Due to the short time, it should just be surface rust.  You can try oiling the o-r-rings, but may be worth it to just replace. Hope it works out.
 
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I was thinking of just buying new valve parts, but found a bottle of rust b-gone.

The body was fine, but yeah the coil and washer were rusted to heck. Found a bottle of rust remover and soaked them in it for an hour. The rust is completely gone, it was just the surface, and it holds air again. I am going to pull apart my 98 too to see if its in trouble or not.

I do need to get some new o-rings though. It still leaks a small fraction of what it did before. The washer may also e slightly damaged but it won't be hard to replace if needed.
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