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Topic: A health care-related articlePosted: 09 June 2012 at 1:51pm |
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The following is from the Great Falls Tribune. Link
Discuss.
What I want to know is what our northern neighbors do once our health care system becomes like theirs. |
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 2:59pm |
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For one thing, the US healthcare system is not on the road to becoming like Canada's any time soon (though I wish it were). For another, those with large amounts of cash will always have the option of going somewhere to get served first as long as capital exists. On a related note, my grandmother was diagnosed with a lung cancer and had it removed within a month and a half of confirmation of the diagnosis... in Canada... for free. If she'd been in the US our family would be dealing with hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. |
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 3:05pm |
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Wait like everyone else?
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 3:35pm |
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I don't know where all of these waits are from. Here (at least in New Brunswick) if you have cancer you'll begin your treatment almost immediately within the month.
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 3:41pm |
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 3:43pm |
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Yeah I waited a month, maybe two for my surgery this year, so it's not all horror stories like some like to pretend. It's interesting having to learn about my options for while Im down there on my internship. |
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 3:45pm |
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Every system has it's pros and cons. Unfortunately our cons often come in the form of thousands of dollars worth of debt.
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 3:53pm |
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The most expensive part of my surgery was the cab ride home after. It doesnt help that Vancouver has the most expensive cabs in North America (I believe) but its way better than the hospital bill |
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 3:56pm |
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 4:33pm |
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I'm loving it. |
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 5:48pm |
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Given housing costs in Vancouver, it's no wonder you have to have free medical care, otherwise you'd only be able to afford one or the other! |
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 6:08pm |
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Like the american model
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 6:29pm |
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There's a flip side to that discussion though.
It's the economics free lunch dilemma-costs don't go away when the government pays them, they're simply absorbed en masse by the tax payers. So it's not like simply flipping a switch and saying viola! free healthcare.
I think that the trouble with discussing the pros and cons of existing systems is that we may not know all of the cons yet.
Not saying I'm against universal healthcare, but I think that both the cost effectiveness of a new system and the ineffectiveness of this current system are both grossly exaggerated. Just because something needs fixed doesn't mean it needs to be completely replaced or drastically altered.
Just meat for discussion, if I had an actual solution to endorse I'd be a millionaire
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 6:30pm |
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Eh, I dunno I have good health care and I'm not broke
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 7:18pm |
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Yeah but stratoaxe what what if a guy knocks you up and you get pregnant? That's $10,000 right there!
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 8:11pm |
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10K for Medicaid maybe ;) |
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 8:15pm |
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Insurance is a (usually) wonderful thing for those fortunate enough to have it.
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 9:46pm |
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Have parents that can have a long term job with medical insurance. Don't piss off your parents to where they will still have you under there policy. When you are responsible enough to have a job with health benefits, you can do the same with your children.
I guess I've never had serious medical problems/ have insurance, so that I am unaware of how bad healthcare is. |
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 10:29pm |
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I've had health insurance since I was a sacker at a grocery store.
Right now I'm at a (basically) entry level job and pay 40 dollars a month for prescription, health, and excellent dental. While obviously we do have a problem with the uninsured rate, I do think that insurance availability isn't as scant as its made out to be. Family healthcare is very expensive, but then again so are families. If you think insurance is bad wait until you buy formula...but then again, we have WIC programs here so half the people (warning: made up statistic) i saw with kids at the grocery store weren't paying for that either. It's tough here right now no doubt, but I have serious hesitation on the level at which government intervention helps without hurting |
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Posted: 09 June 2012 at 10:59pm |
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For profit healthcare is designed to maximize profits. This entails minimizing payouts, which means that despite the fact that you may have health insurance, it is likely extremely limited in terms of how you can utilize it (pre-existing conditions etc.). I don't believe there is any debate to be had, the express mission of private healthcare is to give you only enough benefits that you will not switch providers or end your plan. In fact there are huge divisions within these companies whose express goal is to deny benefits as often and as broadly as possible.
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