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    Posted: 16 February 2005 at 10:05pm

I really think Tippmann should put money, and design a few markers for speedball, they already have the best woodball markers. I am a huge fan of tippmann paintball, and would buy any product of tippmann. Make a front/player speedball marker. That would be my dream, tippmann going into the speedball world. Thanks

 

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Tippmann has made markers for speedball.

Enter the A-5 and 98c, with a little work they are excellent markers for speedball.

If you want them to start making spyder clones, dont count on it.  Tippmann is doing things in their own way, they are pretty much the only company focusing on woodsball guns. 

I personnally would not welcome ANY spyder clone or similar gun from Tippmann.
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Well i don't know about spyders clones, i was thinking of more like a Shocker/Timmy clone but ok.

Tippmann can come up with there own design and so forth that is designed for speedball only. Just because they'll go into the speedball world doesn't mean they will be copying. A-5 and/or the 98c were built for both but more for woodball. I am talking about a very good marker for speedball stock.

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Remember, Tippmann's huge base and success prmiarily is from woodsball type guns. If they start researching and marketing a new product which they have no experience in, it may flop, causing one heck of a loss in revenue, time, and overall customer satisfaction and happiness. Remember when Coca-Cola decided to make "New Coke" (I think back in the 80s)? It failed miserably because it changed the consumers expectations and they eventually threw out New Coke and went back to the original recipe, now known as Coca-Cola Classic. It costed Coke millions and tons of time wasted and the orignal goal, make people drink Coke over Pepsi, was actually the opposite of what really happened; more people began drinking Pepsi. I say stick with what they're doing now, they do a great job, don't fix it if it ain't broke.
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I dont think you read my post.

Tippmann has found their niche.  Their guns are excellent for speedball, but they were built for woodsball.  Unless the new owners are idiots, Tippmann will keep doing what it does best : Making high quality, low cost woodsball guns.
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Tippmann does it's best with woodball, but they can still give it a shot, after all it isnt to hard to a make a marker which will be alittle more tuned for speedball. But i do see what both of ya are saying. I just don't understand why not give it a shot. Almost anything, and everything is worth a try.
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Originally posted by Dr.will Dr.will wrote:

Tippmann does it's best with woodball, but they can still give it a shot, after all it isnt to hard to a make a marker which will be alittle more tuned for speedball. But i do see what both of ya are saying. I just don't understand why not give it a shot. Almost anything, and everything is worth a try.


Lets throw in a little logic, eh?

Tippmann spent upwards of 2 years devoloping and preparing their new marker comming out.  Why do they take so long when companies like Kingman are pumping out a new gun practically daily?  Because of quality control.  They spend months, even years perfecting their guns so they perform the way they are supposed to.

Now, say Tippmann invested 3 years in research and development and finnally came out with a speedball gun.  It gets mocked, attacked and it is not sold.  Tippmann just wasted three years on a project which got them crap.

In those three years they could have made millions of dollars by making a high quality woodsball gun, but instead they just blew it on some crappy thing.

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Tippmann is probably extremely happy with what they're making now, after all the majority of the market is in woodsball/recball/scenario, not speedball. They will not make a speedball oriented marker, at least right off the production line. You can, however upgrade one to make it speedball oriented, but at your own cost. Tippmann will not risk their business to make a speedball marker. Just like Darur stated above, 2-3 years and millions of dollars on one gun model. And it'll be a good one. Imagine if they spent that time and money developing a (speedball) marker they have no experience in making, and it flops?

Darur, I lost track of how many Spyder models there are out there, I think it's somthing like 600.

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Custom 98, Flatline, r/t, CAR stock, custom camo paintjob, which every hopper I feel like putting on it, vertical adapter, oh dibs, I'm running out of charact
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they need somethin along the lines of a pistol, or sidearm, itd be the baddest thing out there...itd be small enough to use in speedball but cool enough to command the respect of old and cynical woodsball junkies such as ourselves.
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I heard a Tippmann pistol/sidearm discussed here a loooooong time ago... Didn't really end well I recall.
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Custom 98, Flatline, r/t, CAR stock, custom camo paintjob, which every hopper I feel like putting on it, vertical adapter, oh dibs, I'm running out of charact
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They should make smaller guns, they should perfect the Flatline Barrel System, they should focus on paintball ergonomics instead of firearm cosmetics, make CO2-guns run smoother, and make it all cheap enough so that more people will want to play.

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Originally posted by Brainless_Fool Brainless_Fool wrote:

They should make smaller guns, they should perfect the Flatline Barrel System, they should focus on paintball ergonomics instead of firearm cosmetics, make CO2-guns run smoother, and make it all cheap enough so that more people will want to play.

Tippmann has already done this, its called every Marker they have maid so far! With the proper upgrades, any tippmann marker ( especially the A-5 ) can shoot fast, reliably, and accurately, and do it just as well as any speedball marker and still be cheaper and just as short. And as for Tippmann focusing on cosmetics, that’s ridiculous, most speedballers I know think that tippman’s are boring looking compared to most other markers. Tippmann focuses on reliability.

 

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I'd like to see Tippmann's new gun(s) have Y-grips.

The current Tippmann guns are huge and you have to hold it way out in front of you, and the smaller paintball guns are held close to the body and are light. I hope Tippmann makes their newer guns just as reliable as their old ones, but just as comfortable to hold and as competitive as other "speedball" gun manufacturers'.

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all tippmann has to do is make the 98c a little shorter and have a stock double trigger the e grip should also be an option. they could also pay more attention to the trigger system
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Tippmanns suck at speeball a custom maxes out at 13-14 and an A5 maxes at 15-16 so unless you want to be like Natural Newbie from Model98.net and practicly redesign the entire gun to shoot 20 bps and cost you over $600 not counting the gun then go ahead or you could by a better gun for the same

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Originally posted by Darur Darur wrote:

   I personnally would not welcome ANY spyder clone or similar gun from Tippmann.


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u can make tippmann speedball guns just get a e-bolt..and tippmann effect uses tippmann 98s for speed ball..they just put e-bolts on them...
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Originally posted by MT. Vigilante MT. Vigilante wrote:

 as for Tippmann focusing on cosmetics, that’s ridiculous, most speedballers I know think that tippman’s are boring looking compared to most other markers. Tippmann focuses on reliability.

 

even though tippmann doesnt focus on reliability i think their markers look really cool how does an a-5 look boring next to a dm5 those are ugly guns IMO maybe its because i own real firearms unlike a lot of paintball players. i dont want my gun to look like a water pistol i want it to look realistic-ish.

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