So, who saw this?

.....whistles in admiration.....sorry that was over my head.

russia hates arabs, so i dont see why they would help them..i think its bs

Its like poland helping germany

Edited by DsXz - 29 March 2006 at 9:52am

.Ryan wrote: I found it amazing how underplayed it was

Underplayed in what arena? Public discussion? I'm surprised the media isn't peddling it more... I'm not surprised by the lack of Gubmint discussion on the matter.

This falls into the "what can we do about it?... nothing" category. Day late and dollar short. Is it disturbing? Yes. But it's done. And in addition, can it TRULY be verified as even being 100% factual? At this point, it doesn't even really matter anymore.

but what was more amazing was the fact that Rummy claimed that he was just hearing about it during this press conference I watched yesterday. This means that CNN is keeping me more informed than the US government is keeping Rummy.

Actually, that quite obviously translates into "I know more than you know, but I'm not sharing". Which is the way it should be. Public doesn't need to know the specifics.

It just kinda makes me mad how much the Bush Administration has been stuffing this down, not to mention all the other times they've been kissing Putin's rear.....Isn't this an act of war? Shouldn't they care a bit more? Gah!

Welcome to the concept of world politics. Looking at the bigger picture is necessary.
Stuffing it down? Doubt it. Causing a propaganda uproar over the matter? Why bother? What purpose would it serve and what benefits would come of it? Nothing.
Act of war? Hardly.   We help people when we have something to gain, even if it means hurting Russia. They help people when they have something to gain, even if it means hurting us. Same as it has always been. Russia had a lot to gain with Saddam in power, and with all of their under the table dealings. Not justifying the action, DEFINITELY not saying it was right in any way, shape or form... but that's how the world goes round.   Besides... you want war with Russia? Better dig a hole to live in, stock up 20yrs of food and water and take your potassium iodide tablets.
Not just Bush, but America as a whole, as been trying to mend relations with Russia. Is that a bad thing? Lots of benefits to the planet if two of the big boys are on good terms. Not sure where you're getting your slanted view where everything is a butt kissing episode either. If that were the case, we'd be arm in arm, sharing drinks. The fact that we haven't been kissing butt is why relations are still fairly sour.

DsXz wrote: russia hates arabs, so i dont see why they would help them..i think its bs Its like poland helping germany

As Clark stated... where did you get this notion from? Russia and the former Soviet Union have had their hands all over the mideast. Major source of arms sales.

.Ryan, I'm surprised that someone with your apparent socialist leanings hasn't seen the obvious cause of this.

Russia is hurting economically, so they'll screw anyone over for money. That's the bane of capitalism. They had a lot of nice under the table deals with Iraq when Saddam Hussein was in power, and even now would have a lot to lose if we sanctioned Iran, which is why any kind of censure of Iran is tied up right now. They don't want us using any kind of language, such as labeling their nuclear ambitions as a threat to world peace, that could lead to sanctions or eventually war. Russia does a lot of business with Iran and that would hurt them.

Putin is turning out to be just as much of a scumbag as we were afraid of when he took power with his crackdown on free press. But do we really want a hostile relationship with Russia again?

The US, and especially the rest of the world, wants to put he cold war far behind us. Even a pretty clear cut case like with Iran right now ends up coming to only talk of punishment, since nobody really wants to lose money or piss anyone off. Nobody wants to aknowledge that somebody else's country has it wrong. People don't want to make enemies, and when somebody ups the stakes a bit(usually the US)they see that party as the real danger. Europe got kind of sick of being stuck between two superpowers for 45 years who were going to crush them to get at each other if war ever broke out.

In this day and age with a global economy and everything, it makes sence to ignor the problems of your trading partners(Nobody seems to talk about china's horrible human rights record anymore) and hope that eventually they'll come around. If you don't trade with them, someone else will.

I've always found the name 'Pravda' to be iroic. It's supposed to be the Russian word for 'Truth', but it's still basically the state's mouthpiece...

Monk wrote: Russian people = good guys Russian government = douche bags

  I'm not a huge fan of the Russian people actually. We have quite a large Eastern european population here, so I deal with russians on a regular basis. I'll give them credit where credit is due, they know how to party. But they aren't exactly friendly people. Ukranians and Moldovians are way cooler on average. However, they Russians and the rest of the eastern europeans seem to hate each other. The only reason I can see why the Russians don't kill the Ukranians(more often) is because they're too busy fighting all the blacks and puerto ricans. The Russians tend to have a developed sence of racial superiority. It doesn't help that the Ukranians usually come here to get as far away from the russians as possible only to move next door to them, while the Russians are usually here for economic reasons. Reading Pravda certainly tells you what russia thinks of Ukraine and Yuchenko.

Russia< The rest of Eastern Europe

Edited by rednekk98 - 29 March 2006 at 12:20pm

Clark Kent wrote: DsXz wrote: russia hates arabs, so i dont see why they would help them..i think its bs Its like poland helping germany Huh? The old USSR had their hands deep in the Middle East, just like the US.  Why should the US be the only country allowed to meddle in Arab politics?

Once again, the mighty Clark Kent sights, fires, and destroys the misconceptions of the enemy combatant.

Don't always agree with Clark, but the man gets his facts straight!

Bravo, mon ami!

Really, The USSR still gets a free swing. We helped get them out of Afganistan back in the day.

Tae Kwon Do wrote: Really, The USSR still gets a free swing. We helped get them out of Afganistan back in the day.

Care to explain or elaborate?

During their afgan war, we supported the mujahadeen, trained them and provided them with stingers, morters, dated weapons and training. We shipped money, weapons and amunitions through CIA and diplomatic cover to keep it dark. All just to bloody their nose. They knew we were helping them. And they ended up pulling out in such a way as to save face.

DBibeau855 wrote: They knew we were helping them. And they ended up pulling out in such a way as to save face.

Hence, we "helped" them leave.