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Yeah. They're Tippmanns.

But if you're new they're just fine (by what I know).

Edited by jerseypaint - 28 February 2008 at 7:43pm

jerseypaint wrote: Yeah. They're Tippmanns. But if you're new they're just fine (by what I know).

What's wrong with tippmanns?

Nobody was asking for anyone to draw comparisons.  You were asked what was wrong with Tippmanns. 

On a side note, I've competed quite nicely against people that have mid to high-end markers with my Tippy.

jerseypaint wrote: Doesn't mean your marker compares.

Doesn't mean that it doesn't either. 

jerseypaint wrote: If he was asking seriously what is wrong with Tippmanns I would say that its a blow-back, sear tripper (as previously stated). Its operation makes it prone to break down (I know you can hit them with a sledge hammer, but more moving parts does mean it has more opportunity for something going wrong) and inefficient.

Which is nullified by Tippmann's customer support.  One of the best in paintball.  If something goes wrong even outside the warranty, all you have to pay is for the parts and S/H.  No labor charges.  I will grant you that the Tippmanns aren't the most efficient marker out there.  But there are some electros out there that aren't super efficient either.

jerseypaint wrote: Its shell is about 400lbs

Nice exaggeration.  You just have to remember.  Nothing is heavy.  You're just not strong enough to lift it. 

jerseypaint wrote: and the stock parts are very lack luster.

Ah, a jab at color aesthetics?  You can always buy an old metallic green Spyder instead.

jerseypaint wrote: I also can't stand that the A-5 cannot have it hopper swapped out

Sure you can.  You can get different after-market hoppers for the A-5.  I wouldn't recommend the Ricochet.  Mine broke the first day I played with it.  Chintzy piece of crap that thing was. I'm thinking about switching to the X-7 lower profile hopper myself.

jerseypaint wrote: and that the 98c requires some home-mod work for centerfeed.

No argument there.  I was most disappointed that the Platinum series came without a centerfeed option.  The RD Centerfeed Kit looks disappointing to me since it's made of plastic. 

jerseypaint wrote: But again, Tippmanns don't need to own up to these standards for they are advertised for the low-end market.

Some of their markers are, yes, but not all of them.  They cover a wide range of prices from $99 - $299+.  You don't have a particularly high opinion for Tippmann markers, where I do.  Tippmann markers are good markers.  Very reliable and durable.  They are decently priced for the performance you receive.  And as I've said before, you can't beat their customer service.  

Edited by StormyKnight - 04 March 2008 at 1:26am

StormyKnight wrote: Doesn't mean that it doesn't either.

When your Tippmann compares to a Cyborg, you come tell me.

Which is nullified by Tippmann's customer support. One of the best in paintball. If something goes wrong even outside the warranty, all you have to pay is for the parts and S/H. No labor charges. I will grant you that the Tippmanns aren't the most efficient marker out there. But there are some electros out there that aren't super efficient either.

Customer support doesn't make the problem not happen, just fixes it. I rather not have any breakdowns than know that when it does happen I'll have good customer service. This isn't saying Tippmann Customer Service isn't the best around, but it doesn't prevent the marker from breaking-down.

Nice exaggeration. You just have to remember. Nothing is heavy. You're just not strong enough to lift it.

No. Markers do get heavy. Especially if you are playing all day, sprinting around. Its not about strength, its about fatigue. Hold an Ego in one hand and an A-5 in another, run around for a little and tell me which arm feels more tired.

Ah, a jab at color aesthetics? You can always buy an old metallic green Spyder instead.

No. I wasn't talking about color, I was talking about the stock parts and how they aren't the best quality. Right off the bat you need stock barrel replacing, there is no reg (unlike most high-ends), and the top speed it can achieve is about 3-5bps.

Sure you can. You can get different after-market hoppers for the A-5. I wouldn't recommend the Ricochet. Mine broke the first day I played with it. Chintzy piece of crap that thing was. I'm thinking about switching to the X-7 lower profile hopper myself.

You can change the container that holds the paint, but you are still using the cyclone feed. I'm talking about changing it from cyclone to a Halo or any other hopper. The only available choice is the Q-loader which if you are going to need alot of paint, can be a pain.

Some of their markers are, yes, but not all of them. They cover a wide range of prices from $99 - $299+. You don't have a particularly high opinion for Tippmann markers, where I do. Tippmann markers are good markers. Very reliable and durable. They are decently priced for the performance you receive. And as I've said before, you can't beat their customer service.

All Tippmanns are low-end now. All of them, price does not make them any better. Now, I never said they aren't good markers, but only for their field (low ends), compared to "mid-ends" and high-ends, they are pretty bad. And yes, they are reliable and durable, and you do get what you pay for, sometimes (I think the A-5 and similar markers are overpriced). Lastly, yes, they have awesome costumer service. I would think the best in the industry.

Umm I carry around an A5 and i used to go on gun and the weight never bothered me.  The last time I checked a cyborg was alot more than any gun we are talking about. I have NEVER had a part break on my A5 and i have had it for about 4 years now and put more paint through it than I want to think about.  As for the hopper the joy of the cyclone is you dont need a Halo.  You can upgrade the internals and get about 25 bps.  You dont need more than that.  My A5 was much faster than 3-5 bps when I bout it,  More like 15 bps which, for me, is more than enough. As for not being as good as higher end markers the marker is only as good as the player.  I have played against people with high ends and I used my A5 and emerged victorious.  Its all about prefference.  Personally I dont want a DM#, Ego, Cyborg, etc. 

 

As for the Alpha it looks to be a good solid gun so far.  Once the e grip comes out lemme know how it performs. 

And as for switching out the hopper to the X7 hopper Stormy I would recomend it.  I bought one and love it.

jerseypaint wrote: When your Tippmann compares to a Cyborg, you come tell me.

Compare how?

I have an Angel, some Mags, some Cockers, and a bunch of other stuff, but my A-5 is still the most fun to shoot.

Sure, the Angel is more consistent and quiet, but I love me my A-5.

And since I play for fun, I'd say the Tippmann wins in my book.

My point being that "performance" is not the only measure for most people, and it should not be.

If you are playing competitively that is one thing, but most of us play for fun.  Therefore "fun" should be the most important measure.  "Performance" may be part of that, but certainly not the only part, nor the most important part.

StormyKnight wrote: Jersey, I have actually been pretty conciliatory to you in this little debate. I've conceded some points where you haven't. You have an obvious prejudice towards Tippmann, that much is clear. If I told you that I could get my A-5 to fire as fast as a Cyborg, or an Angel, or a Blazer, you'd come back and say, "Yeah, but not as efficiently", or, "It's still a sear-tripper", or the like. You don't give or budge on anything. That's too bad. It must be very stressful for you to 'have to be right' all the time.

I'm not prejudice at all. If a new player is asking for a marker to play some outlaw every so often, I would certainly recommend the 98c first out of all else. The reason is I don't budge is because I don't need to. From the start I said that Tippmanns don't compare to "mid-end" and high-end markers, but they don't need to because their market doesn't require them to. I don't see anything wrong with my statement. And yes, it is very stressful.

And Rambino, fun should be taken into consideration, but that falls into personal preference. Again, I'm talking straight performance comparison. I've had some of the most fun experiences of my paintball career playing with my BE BladeII, but I'm not going to be recommending it to people asking, "which is better A-5 vs BE Blade" just because I found the Blade more fun.

Edited by jerseypaint - 05 March 2008 at 7:28pm

jerseypaint wrote: And Rambino, fun should be taken into consideration, but that falls into personal preference. Again, I'm talking straight performance comparison. I've had some of the most fun experiences of my paintball career playing with my BE BladeII, but I'm not going to be recommending it to people asking, "which is better A-5 vs BE Blade" just because I found the Blade more fun.

Understood and agreed - but the two are not always so easy to separate.

In order for me to play with my Angel, for instance, I have to make sure that the battery is charged, I have to make sure the hopper has fresh batteries, I have to make sure the hopper is securely fastened so it won't fall off, I have to make sure that my precariously set debounce works with this particular paint.  With my cockers I have to make sure that my ultra-performance timing hasn't slipped, I have to make sure that I have the correct barrel insert, and I have to take care not to snag anything as I bellycrawl along.

With my A-5, I slap on a tank and I am pumping out 15 bps of fun and excitement, all in a package that is lower profile than my other guns and will never run out of batteries.

Under perfect circumstances, yes - the Angel will "out-perform" the A-5 (if electronic modes are permitted, that is - my finger isn't that fast - otherwise I shoot faster with the A-5, if not as accurately), but I have never walked off the field because my A-5 wasn't working.  I cannot say that for the Angel.  The battery door on my hopper breaks?  I'm out.  Forgot to charge?  I'm out.  Branch rips the hopper off?  I'm out.  Trigger gets a little bounce-happy?  I'm out.

A-5?  I just play.  No hassle, no fuss, no muss.  Now THAT is what I call performance.