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    Posted: 31 March 2011 at 8:00pm
I know I have read innumerable quotes from Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and all of the other nutjobs about exactly this.

However, it seems my Google-fu is broken.  I am looking for quotes about how America's lack of morality is destroying this great country and the only way to fix this is to turn back to God.  I've been searching for a while now and can't find a single damn thing.

Please, assist me, oh great Forum.
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Heh, that would have worked, but I don't think I can cite "Glenn M, some guy on a paintball forum".

Either way, I feel dumb now.  After searching all permutations of Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, religion and morality I could think of, I said screw it, I'll dumb it down a bit and search "atheism destroying America".  And just like that, I struck gold.

And now I get to create a morality index akin to the HDI and GEM.  No idea how the hell I am going to do that yet, but we'll see how it goes.
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Actually, Religion is destroying everything:

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John Adams, (signer of Declaration of Independance and second President of US)
 
said
 
"[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
 
"t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue."
 
John Quincy Adams (6th President of US)
"There are three points of doctrine the belief of which forms the foundation of all morality. The first is the existence of God; the second is the immortality of the human soul; and the third is a future state of rewards and punishments. Suppose it possible for a man to disbelieve either of these three articles of faith and that man will have no conscience, he will have no other law than that of the tiger or the shark. The laws of man may bind him in chains or may put him to death, but they never can make him wise, virtuous, or happy."
 
Samuel Adams (signed Declaration)
 
"[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt."
 
Charles Carroll of Carrollton Signer of the Declaration of Independence
 
"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime & pure, [and] which denounces against the wicked eternal misery, and [which] insured to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."
 
Benjamin Franklin
 
"I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that "except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing governments by human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.
 
I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service."
 
 
wait... I thought Franklin was an "athiest"... Oh the lies of liberal education exposed by the mans own words.
 
Benjamin Rush
 
"The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments."
 
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Bringing out the bold and italics folks, it just got real.
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I've compiled a FreeEnterprise best-of on the topic. I hope this helps. 

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

The problem with evolution is this.

DNA disproves the theory. Species can not change into other species, no matter how many years you throw at them. Of course Darwin didn't know about DNA so he couldn't know.

But, now that athiests have so clearly grasped at evolution, it is too large to fail

Kind of like the banks in America... 


Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

Basic moral codes don't exist in athiests, as everything is relative, if it doesn't hurt someone then it is ok.
 
You are living a twisted existance because of your upbringing. 

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

No, I was stating that Atheists claim that they are moral. Many Christians also claim to be moral.
 
But, when many people find a wallet on the ground... they keep it.
 
Or find a movie downloadable instead of paying, they watch it, and steal it.
 
 
 
We all get to choose how we will live...
 
I don't want to generalize that all of any group do "____". But, it is pretty typical that many of our youth are atheists now... And they also steal copyrighted material.
 
I know... I know...
 
correlation doesn't equal causation...
 
but really... morality needs a standard. What is the atheists "standard"?
 
it sure seems like, "if you don't get caught and it doesn't "hurt" anyone it is OK"... is what I have always heard when this comes up from my athiest friends...
 
Which is moral relativism.

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

We have watched as athiestic values have permiated the American system (the best in history) and the destruction that follows.
 
Until we as a country get back to God, we can't expect things to get better.

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

But, looking at the large amount of corruption in politics/society and human behavior today and it is clear that the change to eliminate God from schools, and the humanistic focus has hurt the character and family units in our society.
 
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


Secular humanism... You know the religion being taught in schools today. "if it feels good, do it", as long as it doesn't "hurt" anyone else.
 
Aka "there is no "right or wrong" everything is relative...
 

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 But, having many in our society with similar "lack" of God beliefs... Then it becomes a group thing, and we all know that a group is much more easily "led" around than grounded individuals with strong moral convictions. Hence the reasons liberal groups tend to riot so quickly... As individuals they probably wouldn't. But as a group... they go off the deep end... because of their secular humanism world view, or "atheistic values".

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:


Look back at how hospitals started in the USA... Most still carry the names of the churches that founded them.
 
They weren't founded because of atheistic or deist supporters, as they typically only care about themselves if you look at their impact on society.


Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 Today we are not Christian as a nation. Hence the reasons our country is in such a poor condition.
 
Until we go back to our history and look at what the founders actually intended... Only then will we be able to rebuild what the United States was intended to be.
 

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 If you walk down the street with a machine gun shooting bullets at people because your brilliant atheistic leaning mind tells you nothing matters...

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

personally, I would like to see a long term study on the amount of women that keep their last name, and how many cheat/ end up divorced...
 
I know lots of people that have done that, and they seem to be more likely to lack moral convictions.






And my personal favorite, for kicks and gigs, of combining these two quotes: 

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I have a bachelor of sciences degree from a university, and I understand how to look at something and compare it with current concepts and beliefs. 

Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 I landed on my left arm and heard the sound of the bones breaking, as my body landed on my arm and it twisted backwards under the impact.

I stood up and looked down at my arm. Both bones were broken and were almost protruding out of the side of my arm, whjch was now facing the completely wrong direction.

My grandparents were in town visiting, so my mom had someone else take me to practice that day. This was before cell phones, so the lady that drove me took me home right away. (there were no phones at the soccer park where we practiced). Once we arrived there, my grandfather (A medical doctor with his general practice license, and also a radiologist) took one look at it and said it was a multiple fracture, and we would have to get to the hospital to have it reset.

My family stood around me and prayed first.

I felt an amazing heat, while they were praying. And I watched in shock as the arm twisted back into position, and the bones lined back up on their own. No pain, just an amazing amount of heat.

I couldn't believe it. I put pressure on my arm, and no problem. I even did a few push ups, with no pain what so ever... I didn't even go to the hospital. There was no need to. I was healed.





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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

 
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

I have a bachelor of sciences degree from a university, and I understand how to look at something and compare it with current concepts and beliefs. 
 
 
I will now always read FE's posts in this man's voice-
 
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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

 
Originally posted by FreeEnterprise FreeEnterprise wrote:

 I landed on my left arm and heard the sound of the bones breaking, as my body landed on my arm and it twisted backwards under the impact.

I stood up and looked down at my arm. Both bones were broken and were almost protruding out of the side of my arm, whjch was now facing the completely wrong direction.

My grandparents were in town visiting, so my mom had someone else take me to practice that day. This was before cell phones, so the lady that drove me took me home right away. (there were no phones at the soccer park where we practiced). Once we arrived there, my grandfather (A medical doctor with his general practice license, and also a radiologist) took one look at it and said it was a multiple fracture, and we would have to get to the hospital to have it reset.

My family stood around me and prayed first.

I felt an amazing heat, while they were praying. And I watched in shock as the arm twisted back into position, and the bones lined back up on their own. No pain, just an amazing amount of heat.

I couldn't believe it. I put pressure on my arm, and no problem. I even did a few push ups, with no pain what so ever... I didn't even go to the hospital. There was no need to. I was healed.




Wait...what? Mind. Blown.
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Isn't it obvious?  His family is witches. 
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I, I, I so excited.  I so excited.

I finally got around to calculating the morality index and used a method based upon how the UN calculates HDI.  I'm pretty sure it looks good, but it would be cool if I could get some smart folk to look over it and give me your opinion.

I have four morality variables thus far which are violent crimes, abortions, teen pregnancies and suicides (all per 1,000 population).  For each variable I got an index by using the formula:

Index = (actual number-minimum value)/(maximum value-minimum value)

But in this case since the lower the value the better, I subtracted 1 by the given value. Finally, I averaged all the given indexes.

If this turns out to be good, all I have to do now is run some regressions and finish my paper.  Hurray!


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Are you running a program to track the regressions? And are you using a significance test? 
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I'm just doing it in Excel.  For significance I'm just going by p < .05.
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Originally posted by GroupB GroupB wrote:

Isn't it obvious?  His family is witches. 


They're... made of wood?
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We would have to test it, but I am willing to bet that they are.  Anyone have a duck?
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Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

I'm just doing it in Excel.  For significance I'm just going by p < .05.

You can't go wrong with p<.05. Although I just read some angry psychologist's rant about how it was completely arbitrary. 

By the way what is this study for? I wouldn't mind taking a look at it when you're done if you want another set of eyes on it. 


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Originally posted by agentwhale007 agentwhale007 wrote:

Originally posted by Hysteria Hysteria wrote:

I'm just doing it in Excel.  For significance I'm just going by p < .05.

You can't go wrong with p<.05. Although I just read some angry psychologist's rant about how it was completely arbitrary. 

By the way what is this study for? I wouldn't mind taking a look at it when you're done if you want another set of eyes on it. 


It's for an Economics class, but it's more of a Sociological study (didn't I read that you were doing a similar thing for your thesis or something?) lol.

I'm determining if there is a link between religiosity and morality as the Right, and especially the Tea Party, insist whenever they get a chance.  This is why I was looking for such quotes.

I would really appreciate you looking over it for me though when I'm finally done.


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Yeah, I'm working on what essentially amounts to a psychology thesis. I'm trying to see if I can assign demographic predictors to undergraduate journalism professors's opinions on introducing more technology into curricula vs. maintaining traditional curricula. 

For the literature I'm using an established string of psychological theory on selective perception, and the sociological concept of symbolic interactionism. I'm also borrowing from the international relations field, saying that someone's positon within a higher structure changes their outlook (the organizational politics model), among others. 

For your study, economics and sociology go hand and hand, and I'm pretty familiar with communicative sociological concepts. If you shoot me your lit review I can maybe offer some suggestions. 

I'm also interested to see your methodology. I like where you're going. 
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