Putin to Bush: "Pack Sand"

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/a p/20050224/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush

Too Russia watches our news. Bush may have convinced Putin that he was lapsing on his promise to push Russia into democracy.

Bush forgot about the Patriot Act, Guantanamo Bay, and his own infringements on civil rights. Putin didn't.

Bush had it easy passing the Patriot Act after 9-11 as he played the "rally around the flag" business to the end. However, with people finally understanding how outrageous of a bill it is, it'll be much more difficult getting it passed a second time.

.Ryan wrote: As far as the Patriot Act goes, see Smitty's sig. As far as the prisoner abuse crap...I couldn't care much less......War is hell and trying to make it less so by being nice and PC is just gonna put you on the losing side. I'm somewhat of a nationalist. I'm opposed to the war in Iraq and the idiot in our highest office because it's bad for our nation and my future. Rather or not some terrorist gets embarrassed or beaten or whatever in Gitmo doesn't really matter to me and doesn't really matter at all in the long run.The prisoner abuse schandal is just a juicy story for the media to play with and soccer moms and partisans to yell about. At least we're not cutting off heads. And about Putin, I think we're right in our concern about what Putin is doing...Actually, I faulted Bush for bein his buddy when he started pullin that crap siting that it was extreemly hipocritical. I don't want us to invade Russia or anything but with the way the world is now all we need is a Neo-Soviet Russia in the mix.

Put yourself in their shoes. It would be like you were a student in Saudi Arabia, and some Tim McVey blew up a bunch of people in Saudi Arabia, and you were detained, for, two years without legal council, but obviously had nothing to do with McVey. Could you cavalierly say "war is hell"?

We cannot as Americans write off people's rights so easily. They should have been given legal council the same as you are I. We are the land of the free and the home of the brave.

pff policticians

WGP guy wrote: **directed towards goodsmitty**They aren't citizens so are they still entitled to a trial by law?

Stated like a good little brownshirt.

goodsmitty wrote: WGP guy wrote: **directed towards goodsmitty**They aren't citizens so are they still entitled to a trial by law? Stated like a good little brownshirt.

He has a point. Them being terrorists should be classified as a combatant. We do not extend trial by law to combatants. If anything, they should be tried by a military court. If at all. They want to kill you. And you are worried about weather or not their rights are being enfringed upon.

DBibeau855 wrote: goodsmitty wrote: WGP guy wrote: **directed towards goodsmitty**They aren't citizens so are they still entitled to a trial by law? Stated like a good little brownshirt. He has a point. Them being terrorists should be classified as a combatant. We do not extend trial by law to combatants. If anything, they should be tried by a military court. If at all. They want to kill you. And you are worried about weather or not their rights are being enfringed upon.

So because they are combatants, they are locked up in Gulag forever without a trial. Read our constitution, military tribunal or not. That isn't how America works, or supposed to anyway.

By the same logic, we are infidels in Iraq and the insurgents should be allowed to behead our soldiers. Tit for tat.

goodsmitty wrote: DBibeau855 wrote: goodsmitty wrote: WGP guy wrote: **directed towards goodsmitty**They aren't citizens so are they still entitled to a trial by law? Stated like a good little brownshirt. He has a point. Them being terrorists should be classified as a combatant. We do not extend trial by law to combatants. If anything, they should be tried by a military court. If at all. They want to kill you. And you are worried about weather or not their rights are being enfringed upon. So because they are combatants, they are locked up in Gulag forever without a trial. Read our constitution, military tribunal or not. That isn't how America works, or supposed to anyway. By the same logic, we are infidels in Iraq and the insurgents should be allowed to behead our soldiers. Tit for tat.

Cool, that is what they are doing!

And we arent killing anyone. They are cuttin heads off like they are short of ash trays or something.

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So what you are trying to say that enemy combatants, insurgents, and or terrorists are entitled to protection under our constitution, in lieu of several International Conventions that we as well as many other nations have signed over the years describing the role, act and protections of combatants.

So every German POW of World War 2 is entitled to restitution from us for being "unfairly" imprisoned without due process, as per our legal system?

No where in the United States Department of Defense Manual "Rule of Land Warfare, ed 1950" do I find any referance to legal protections under our constitution for enemy combatants, insurgents, and or terrorists captured during commision of a hostile act against United States Armed Forces.

No where in the Hague Convention in relation to the International Rule of Land Warfare do I find any referance to legal protections under The United States constitution for enemy combatants, insurgents, and or terrorists captured during commision of a hostile act against United States Armed Forces or interests.

No where in the Geneva Convention 1949 persuant to the Act of Armed Conflict between Hostile States, do I find any referance to legal protections under The United States constitution for enemy combatants, insurgents, and or terrorists captured during commision of a hostile act against United States Armed Forces or interests.

POW's and or detained hostile "protected guerillas" under US Military Rules of Land Warfare are only entitled to the protection of basic rights of protection of health under basic humanitarian requirements. They are while under US military custodial protection primarily these individuals fall under the legal protections and the laws of thier home nation, and only for acts against US interests will these individuals face legal action under law by US (now get this people) Uniform Code of Military Justice UCMJ, not civilian authorities. And Under UCMJ pretrial confinement of "protected guerillas" has no time and or Miranda restraints, (or even constitutional)and a Military Tribunial Judge will review each detainees status regularly and determine if further detention is warrented for investigation and or protection purpose.

ref Manual of "Rule of Land Warfare" for United States Armed Forces issued 1950 (yes that is the current applicible manual still)
Hague Convention 1950
Geneva Convention 1949







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US internment camps. We sure as hell didn't give them anything. But it's alright, whatever the US does is for the greater good, whatever preservation other groups take against us is evil.

Anyways, not a single terrorsist conviction came from the prisoners in Guantanamo Bay. To date, over 1200 prisoners, and about 600 nailed with immigration violations, none of them combatants, but treated like ones.

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